China's SCS Strategy Thread

Brumby

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Also, I'm not sure if it's correct to say China has been "avoiding the issue" as such, because it's not like they're explicitly claiming there isn't a dispute WRT the EEZ around Natuna, it is more that Indonesia seems to have yet to explicitly call out the issue to try and ascertain a Chinese response.
Overall China is just using the same doctrine of ambiguity regarding the nine dash line, not too different to how its policy in the rest of the regional dispute.

We have gone through this subject in some earlier postings and will just be a rehash. The Indonesians also need to put up or shut up like all the other ASEAN countries with disputes. The Indonesians through their public statements seems to suggest progress had not been achieved privately. Indonesia like the Philippines will have to decide whether it is in their national interest to step up into the next phase.
 

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We have gone through this subject in some earlier postings and will just be a rehash. The Indonesians also need to put up or shut up like all the other ASEAN countries with disputes. The Indonesians through their public statements seems to suggest progress had not been achieved privately. Indonesia like the Philippines will have to decide whether it is in their national interest to step up into the next phase.

I don't disagree with this, I'm merely saying that in the specific case of Natuna, I'm not sure if China is "avoiding" giving them an answer or if it is simply part of a larger policy of ambiguity in the region... The difference between these scenarios is the idea that China is specifically seeking to avoid discussing the issue with Indonesia WRT Natuna's EEZ for whatever sinister reason, or if they're just using a general (slightly ham fisted) approach of using the same kind of ambiguity for all nations whenever they bring up the dispute.

Whether Indonesia considers it in its national interest to try anything more is up to them to decide of course.
 

Brumby

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I don't disagree with this, I'm merely saying that in the specific case of Natuna, I'm not sure if China is "avoiding" giving them an answer or if it is simply part of a larger policy of ambiguity in the region... The difference between these scenarios is the idea that China is specifically seeking to avoid discussing the issue with Indonesia WRT Natuna's EEZ for whatever sinister reason, or if they're just using a general (slightly ham fisted) approach of using the same kind of ambiguity for all nations whenever they bring up the dispute.
I think they are interrelated although for the Indonesians that is irrelevant. In my view, the ball rest with the Indonesians. They just have to decide.
 

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I think they are interrelated although for the Indonesians that is irrelevant. In my view, the ball rest with the Indonesians. They just have to decide.

I would call one as a subset of the larger policy, for the sake of looking at it from China's point of view, the distinction is probably worth noting.
 

antiterror13

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Looks like China made clear its intentions vis-a-vis Indonesia. How Natuna Island sovereignty and Indonesia's EEZ will affect the contraversial 9-dash line is still TBD.

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It is a very smart move. China practically sent a message that China is prepared to negotiate and make some concessions, like China did on all land boundary agreements
 

Blackstone

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It is a very smart move. China practically sent a message that China is prepared to negotiate and make some concessions, like China did on all land boundary agreements
Let's not forget China also settled the Gulf of Tonkin maritime dispute with Vietnam through bilateral negotiations too. Reasonable people cound discount the argument smaller claimants can't get equitable deals with Beijing due to power differences, not because China is such a fair negotiator, but because empirical evidence disprove such claims.
 

joshuatree

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Considering China never spelled out the nine dash line as meaning all the waters belonging to them within those dashes, I don't see how this recent statement of having no dispute with Indonesian sovereignty over Natuna and respective EEZ is some crushing concession. If anything it -

- should smooth relations with Indonesia, thereby making it more neutral in the ongoing claims dispute and that does not help Vietnam or the Philippines.

- play up to the concept that bilateral discussions/relations do indeed yield progress and results.

- make the nine dash line more compatible with UNCLOS, blunting some of the arguments being made in the court case.
 

Blackstone

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Looks like Monroe Doctrine with Chinese characteristics. I wonder what assurances Kuala Lumpur wrangled from Beijing for the warship stopover rights.

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Malaysia has agreed to allow the Chinese navy the use of the strategic port of Kota Kinabalu on north-east Borneo, close to the disputed Spratly Islands, despite its own reservations about Beijing's activities in the South China Sea.

China has yet to indicate when it might begin docking there.

Kuala Lumpur made the offer in order to maintain a neutral position as tensions simmer over territorial disputes in the resource-rich waters, through which US$5 trillion (S$7.1 trillion) of the world's trade passes each year.

The agreement between the People's Liberation Army (PLA) navy and its Malaysian counterpart, struck on Nov 10, comes just weeks after a United States warship stopped at Kota Kinabalu after conducting a patrol just 12 nautical miles off the Subi Reef.

The reef was one of several sites where China has conducted reclamation and building works despite the overlapping territorial claims that it has with several South-east Asian countries as well as Taiwan in the area.

The patrol provoked fury from Beijing, while US President Barack Obama has himself reportedly chided Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over the 99-year lease of Darwin port to a Chinese company that has been linked to the PLA.

China and the US have increasingly come up against each other in the region as Beijing flexes its muscles over its claims in the South China Sea and Washington is intent on showing it is the primary power in the region. The US had sailed its navy ship close to Subi Reef to demonstrate the freedom of navigation of the area and said it would continue to conduct such air and naval patrols.

Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar, who was until last Wednesday the Malaysian navy chief, told The Sunday Times that the PLA navy "has noted the offer, but no indication yet" has been given on when it may begin to dock at Kota Kinabalu. "(It was a) similar offer as extended to the USN to show we don't take sides," he added, using the acronym for the US Navy.

According to state news agency Bernama, Malaysia offered the use of the port as a stopover to strengthen defence ties between the two countries.

Mr Abdul Aziz was quoted as saying that the port has also received visits from US and French vessels in the past and that enhanced defence relations with China would help overcome issues relating to overlapping border claims.

Much of Asean diplomacy over the past few years has been encumbered by territorial disputes in the South China Sea, as evidenced by the scrapping of two joint statements after ministerial meetings since 2012, the only times this has happened in the regional bloc's nearly five-decade-long history.

The most recent was at the Asean Defence Ministers Meeting earlier this month, which was held shortly after the US Navy's patrol near Subi Reef.

Director of foreign policy and security studies at Malaysia's Institute of Strategic and International Studies Elina Noor told The Sunday Times that Malaysia does not want "to be seen as welcoming to only any one party".

She added that, given the existing comprehensive defence relations with China, the stopover offer was not a huge departure from current policy.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Harnessing the ocean: China’s military looks to wave farms to power radar on remote islands as South China Sea disputes simmer
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I was wondering how are they going to power the radar and other power hungry military installation I guess we have the answer now wow a cutting edge technology

Country has been testing one of the largest power-generating machines of its kind in the world with maximum capacity in excess of 200 kilowatts.
China plans to build electricity-generating wave farms near remote islands in the South China Sea, where it is engaged in territorial disputes with several of its neighbours, to mitigate the threat of a power blackout hitting its military radars there, according to researchers involved in the project.

These giant floating power stations are expected to significantly strengthen the nation’s foothold in the disputed waters.
A full-scale unit, about half the size of a soccer field, was deployed for a test run in waters off the Wanshan archipelago near the city of Zhuhai in Guangdong province earlier this month, said the researchers at the Chinese Academy of Sciences’ Guangzhou Institute of energy Conversion.

Using cutting-edge mechanical designs, the generator will efficiently transform the constant movement of the sea water into electricity and stay in operation on windless days and also in the face of a super-typhoon, they said.

China’s breakneck rush to build civilian and military facilities in these seas has stretched its power supply chain in recent years. One of the biggest headaches has proven to be keeping the country’s larger-than-ever radar network in constant operation.

“Military radars are power-hungry beasts that must be fed all the time,” said one researcher, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the issue.
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Sending fossil fuels to remote islands is costly and time-consuming. The shipping can also be affected easily by bad weather or unfriendly neighbours,” the researcher added.

More power is needed for the radar to cast its net wider. When operating at full power to get a bead on a distant fighter jet or unknown object, an early warning system may require thousands of kilowatts of energy - tantamount to the total demand of 1,000 average households in the United States.

Conventional renewable energy sources are not suitable for small islands, the researchers said.

Most lack sufficient land area for the installation of solar power panels, which at any rate are usually quickly compromised by faecal matter from birds, the team said.

Moreover, wind turbines cannot generate a stable enough energy supply, and their performance is also severely affected by the weather.

The unit that was tested is among the largest power-generating machines of its kind in the world, capable of churning out in excess of 200 kilowatts.
Similar power buoys deployed in the US and Australia have shown peak power outputs of around 150kw. The largest single wave energy convertor to date was a prototype deployed at a wave farm in Portugal, which recorded 750kw.
But the new Chinese generator can survive even the most extreme weather conditions, the researchers said.

In the event of a typhoon, it would automatically partially submerge, leaving only a small area on the surface to avoid damage caused by strong winds.

The unit is not anchored to the ocean bed, which allows it to move freely amid strong waves.

The design, which resembles half a submarine, has performed well. A smaller 10-kw prototype even survived Typhoon Haiyan in the South China Sea two years ago. The typhoon claimed over 6,000 lives in the Philippines.

The machine continued generating power during the typhoon even after most of it was submerged, the researchers said.

The wave farms that are planned have a flexible capacity with room to
grow as more converters can be added later to meet demand.

The electricity will be channelled to nearby islands using underwater cables.

The enormous power requirements of military radar facilities means they cannot operate on a full-time basis with a large and stable energy supply, so using sea waves to provide power is a logical solution, said Li Ming. The professor of radar technology works at the National Lab of Radar Signal Processing in Xidian University, Xi’an in northwestern Shaanxi province.

But Li doubted whether a wave farm would fully satisfy demand.

“A warning radar consumes far more than 200kw of power,” he said.

Another problem is the cost of such an operation. A wave farm needs many power-generating units to form a grid for maximum output.

But those who field-tested the single unit recently said it cost nearly 20
 
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