China's SCS Strategy Thread

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Let's look the time schedule for a civilian reclamation island building project in China.

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Contract awarded in Nov 18 2011. Construction commenced in Nov 30 2011. That 12 days from the award of contract to commencement of reclamation.The island is 130 hectares or 1.3 sq km. Fiery Cross reclamation is 0.96 sq. km.

You can check the progress of the civilian reclamation on google map.

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The company working on this project is the same company involved in the SCS reclamation project.

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So a civilian program, with likely far smaller budget and lower priority, working at a slower pace has build a larger island than Fiery Cross in less than four years.

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The company list 40 dredge and reclamation projects on the website right now. Does it look like they are short in resources?

I don't think people realize the infrastructure building capability and the speed of work in China. What may take decades to do in the US just doesn't take that long in China.

Have you ever managed projects in your career?

 

[shen]

Have you ever managed projects in your career?

What is your argument? Do present it if you have one.

 

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What is your argument? Do present it if you have one.

If you have not managed one, you have no idea of complexities, timelines, resourcing, critical pathing, and management issues that are involved. If you are a in a hole, the best advise is to stop digging.

 

[shen]

If you have not managed one, you have no idea of complexities, timelines, resourcing, critical pathing, and management issues that are involved. If you are a in a hole, the best advise is to stop digging.

You can do all the personal attacks you want, if you don't have a coherent argument present in a rational manner, you don't have a case. Attack the argument, not the person.

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You can do all the personal attacks you want, if you don't have a coherent argument present in a rational manner, you don't have a case. Attack the argument, not the person.

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It is not a personal attack. There is a limit to what you can get from reading Wikipedia.

 

[I wonder]

Yanshan deepwater port off Shanghi.
Its mostly reclaimed land and the project in total will last more than 20 years.
I saw this video a few years back on the Sydney Morning Herald but I think its a National Geographic or Discovery channel program.
I just saw the start of it again and I think it said the port is now more than 3km in length.
Very large scale engineering project.

The point I'm making is that China has done South China sea style reclaimation before.

 

[shen]

It is not a personal attack. There is a limit to what you can get from reading Wikipedia.

You posed a question about my experience, in reply to an argument that is not based on personal experience, rather on facts. That's a classic example of ad hominem fallacy.
A valid reply would address the validity of the facts or the logical connections in my argument.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

Let's look the time schedule for a civilian reclamation island building project in China.

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Contract awarded in Nov 18 2011. Construction commenced in Nov 30 2011. That 12 days from the award of contract to commencement of reclamation.The island is 130 hectares or 1.3 sq km. Fiery Cross reclamation is 0.96 sq. km.

You can check the progress of the civilian reclamation on google map.

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The company working on this project is the same company involved in the SCS reclamation project.

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Your comparison between one right next to the mainland with the other 500Km away really does not make any sense. The logistics would be many time difficult for example keeping barge moving from the mainland to the reclaiming site in various weather conditions in which sand barges does not really do well in typhoons.

 

[shen]

Your comparison between one right next to the mainland with the other 500Km away really does not make any sense. The logistics would be many time difficult for example keeping barge moving from the mainland to the reclaiming site in various weather conditions in which sand barges does not really do well in typhoons.

The sand use in the reclamation for SCS islands are dredged from the local area not transported from the mainland. Those large dredge suction vessels are the key advantage China has in this reclamation race.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

The sand use in the reclamation for SCS islands are dredged from the local area not transported from the mainland. Those large dredge suction vessels are the key advantage China has in this reclamation race.

Have you ever heard of the saying "砂上の楼閣(A castle built upon a pile of sand)"?
That is exactly what would happen if you try reclaiming land with only sand.