I choose the PRC because of their destructive potential (they have nukes). Also, China has never been so secure along its borders, as opposed to the early days when there were threats from the North (Mongols and Huns). Otherwise I would've chosen Qin because of the unification and the impact the period had on military ideology.
Chinas best dynastic military?
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So u are saying those mongols in Inner mongolia of China considered as invader and foreigner? They are too the citizen of PRC. We shall consider Yuan dynasty as an official dynasty of China.. Mongol too is still part of the history of China.. Mongolia was even until Qing rule.
Yuan by my point is the most powerful and devastating army force at that time. Conquer the most vast amount of land.
kunmingren
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I dont agree with Yuan dynasty being Chinese, i mean they only established for barely 80 years, and they were never party of Chinese culture. Right now in China, they are included as Chinese, this is done for political reason of trying to dissuade sepretism (though, i dont think there are very much sepretism talk in Mongolia).
if we follow your logic, Korea was also ruled by Kublai, doesnt that say the most power period of Korean history was during the Mongol Rule? And this can be said about Russia, Iran, and Vietnam.
For me I like the Ming because of the costumes, armor, and their ingenious use of gunpowder. They managed to beat the Mongols in their own game---beat cavalry with gunpowder-- and destroyed them in their homeland. And they certainly meant business, with 3400 cannons just along the Great Wall.
I also like the Three Kingdoms period, partly because of the literature, myth, heroes, characters, legends, and of course, the video games behind it. But this is probably the golden age of Chinese cavalry. Mass production of the stirrup shortly began before the fall of the Han, conveniently in time to be used in the Three Kingdom wars. Heavy cavalry would be developed, and they would last until the Tang, whose Turkish/Middle Eastern influences reverted cavalry back to being light.
I also like the Three Kingdoms period, partly because of the literature, myth, heroes, characters, legends, and of course, the video games behind it. But this is probably the golden age of Chinese cavalry. Mass production of the stirrup shortly began before the fall of the Han, conveniently in time to be used in the Three Kingdom wars. Heavy cavalry would be developed, and they would last until the Tang, whose Turkish/Middle Eastern influences reverted cavalry back to being light.
you don not know china. qing dynastry is not chinese history.qing is built by tungus.tungus is not chinese native nations.our china have many nations .but mongolia nation or manchu nation are not chinese native nations.so it is nonsensical to take about qing dynastry.our china is broken up inqing dynastory.that history is very grieved.if you want to know .you can read a great book<south ming history>《南明史》。
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kunmingren
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rommel said qin, not qing. Qin was between 221 and 206 BC, its 1800 years before the qing dynasty which you dont think are chinese.
and about the hanminzu.com, i paid a visit to the site, some of its content is border line racist. such as a post about the inminent danger of minority taking power from han people and some how persecute the han.
goldenpanda
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Man when will Chinese advance from naive view of our own history? We just blame everything on bad people. Does that solve any problems? All the bad people came from our population. Are we going to keep producing bad people then blame them forever?
It's not just this or that emperor. Chinese military thinking stopped evolving at "let's unify the country keep everyone from revolts". We didn't have a systematic way to describe knowledge and then to accumulate progress. It was mentioned Qing forts were not designed to maximize fields of fire. Did we have even *the concept* so we could *think* about maximizing it? All the centuries of intellectual work, what have they given us, besides nice poems about wine and women? Chinese talk about the need to learn science, but I wonder if we really know what is science.
When will Chinese value the need to see the world, then *try to describe it*?
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yeah, I was actually going to vote for Han. Besides inventing the imperial system, the Han were the last time that Chinese could mobilize just about every man in the country on a foreign campaign.
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goldenpanda
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Ming navy...hugely overrated. They didn't have reliable navigation. Didn't have a colonial mentality. Just went around parading to natives. Did not even survive as an institution within the Ming military system.
Go with the Han, who created an imperial system never seen in the world, which lasted two thousands years.
how come it is not the PRC, since they are going to be a superpower. :china: