China won Turkey's missile defense competition

FarkTypeSoldier

Junior Member
At the end of the day, Turkey probably wouldn't go with CCP system because NATO is adamantly against it, and will throw the kitchen sink to prevent it.

NATO and US would probably use this chance to mawn the image of Chinese weaponary should Turkey wont choose FD2000 over their Aster & Patroit missiles!
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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Turkey awarded a provisional contract for a Nato integrated HQ9 SAM system. the HQ9 is a system built by Norinco form the Peoples Republic of China ( CCP). The Contract is very controversial as Turkey is nato and the PRC is decidedly not.
Chances of The contract actually being finalized are nill not naught.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Sorry about my ignorance, but what is a CCP system?

Basically the source code is different.
EU systems is compatible with others developed in EU and the US systems could be integrated by the US BUT it would be difficult for PRC system for obvious reasons mainly PRC would not disclose the source code in controlling the missiles and EU would never disclose radar frequencies which is basically considered security secrets.
I realy cannot understand why Turkey selected the PRC system since it is obvious that it will become an orphan stand alone system not being able to hook up to the larger EU defense grid.
 

Zool

Junior Member
Basically the source code is different.
EU systems is compatible with others developed in EU and the US systems could be integrated by the US BUT it would be difficult for PRC system for obvious reasons mainly PRC would not disclose the source code in controlling the missiles and EU would never disclose radar frequencies which is basically considered security secrets.
I realy cannot understand why Turkey selected the PRC system since it is obvious that it will become an orphan stand alone system not being able to hook up to the larger EU defense grid.

Integration on the face of it is not the issue with this deal. An example that many against the sale tend to avoid discussing is the Greek use of S-300(PMU1) which is fully integrated into the shared NATO C4ISR.

I think the real concern and pressure coming from NATO and those countries own Defence Contractors, is this deal opening a door to further Chinese arms sales in Western markets. Along side that there is a question of Chinese access to the NATO C4ISR if the deal were to occur. I believe the last point could be properly mitigated if the sale did happen.
 

Quickie

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Turkey in talks with France over missile purchase: Erdogan
by Staff Writers
Ankara (AFP) Sept 07, 2014


Turkey has resumed talks with France on purchasing a new missile system after negotiations on a controversial deal with a US-blacklisted Chinese company hit a rock, the Turkish president was reported Sunday as saying.

"Some disagreements have emerged with China on the issues of joint production and technology transfer during negotiations over missile defence system," President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters as he returned from the NATO summit in Wales, according to private television NTV.

"Talks are continuing despite that, but France which is second on the list has come up with a new offer. Right now we are holding ongoing talks with France," he said.

"Here joint production is important to us."

Last September, Turkey reached a deal with China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corporation (CPMIEC) for its first long-range anti-missile system, but the contract has sparked concerns in Washington.

Turkish officials had since said the deal with China was not finalised and that Ankara was open to new offers from other bidders.

CPMIEC beat competition from a US partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, Russia's Rosoboronexport, and Italian-French consortium Eurosam for the deal, estimated at $4 billion (2.9 billion euros).

The Chinese group, which makes the HQ-9 missile system, is under US sanctions for selling arms and missile technology to Iran and Syria.

The Turkish move also irritated its allies in NATO, which has said missile systems within the transatlantic military alliance must be compatible with each other.
 

Equation

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Joint production will be the key decider on this deal.

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China said on Tuesday that Turkey would decide in its "own interests" after Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said the country was in talks with France on buying a missile defence system following disagreements with Beijing.

U.S. and NATO officials have said Turkish collaboration on the system with China, which was originally awarded the tender, could raise questions of compatibility of weaponry and of security.

The missile deal constituted normal trade cooperation, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a daily news briefing.

"The relevant Chinese company's cooperation with Turkey is normal military trade cooperation. We believe that the Turkish side will make a decision that accords with its own interests," Hua said when asked whether the deal was still on.

Franco-Italian Eurosam, which is owned by Franco-Italian missile maker MBDA and France's Thales, came second in a tender last September, losing out to China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp's (CPMIEC) $3.4 billion offer.

Erdogan said the disagreements were about joint production and know-how during negotiations over the missile defence system.

The choice of CPMIEC for the project irked Western allies as the company is under U.S. sanctions for violations of the Iran, North Korea and Syria Non-proliferation Act.

U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, who told a defence industry forum last week that Russia and China were working hard to close a weapons technology gap with the United States, was in Ankara on Monday.

Last month, Turkey invited firms in the tender, including Eurosam and U.S.-listed Raytheon Co, the maker of Patriot missiles which came in third, to extend the validity of their bids, indicating Ankara was still considering alternative offers but stopped short of discussing problems with the Chinese deal.

In May, Turkish officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity that China had not met the tender's conditions.
 
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