China wants to expand Sino-US relations

No, that's not strictly true. The British Empire never fell- not at all.

All Empires come to an end, eventually, this much is true. But not all fall.

yea, it simply not possible for US and China to establish ture 'friendship'. the 'fighting' will carry on in the furture, over resource, ideology, and strategic spaces...

the aim of PLA's buildup is far beyound the 'liberation' of taiwan. the PLA's ultimately task is to protect china's position as a superpower and its global interests in the furture.

Kiwi said:

No, that's not strictly true. The British Empire never fell- not at all.

All Empires come to an end, eventually, this much is true. But not all fall.

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Nah, the British Empire only shrank and lost control of its colonies. It's military power has diminished to a point that it seems only to serve as some backup force to the US.

the aim of PLA's buildup is far beyound the 'liberation' of taiwan. the PLA's ultimately task is to protect china's position as a superpower and its global interests in the furture.[/QUOTE]

PLA build up is for taiwan, true, but not for China's position as a super power but to protect China itself, the PRC is not going for the super power stuff, it is going for a advanced economy.

renmin said:

PLA build up is for taiwan, true, but not for China's position as a super power but to protect China itself, the PRC is not going for the super power stuff, it is going for a advanced economy.

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whether or not China is 'going for the super power stuff' or not is irrelevent--once its economy eclipses that of the US (just as an example in GDP terms) then it will have by default achieved super power status. This doesn't necessarily mean the PRC will try project this power like the US does, but the power will be there. It is also safe to assume that even before China eclipses the US economy that their military, measured by troop forces, hardware, or expenditure will be second only to the US military--sounds like a super power. Basically, everyone can see at this point that China is destined to become a super power, the only question is how and to what degree China will use this power.

renmin said:

the aim of PLA's buildup is far beyound the 'liberation' of taiwan. the PLA's ultimately task is to protect china's position as a superpower and its global interests in the furture.
PLA build up is for taiwan, true, but not for China's position as a super power but to protect China itself, the PRC is not going for the super power stuff, it is going for a advanced economy.

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what i am saying is PLA buildup is far beyond the concern of taiwan.
china may not rising as a military super power, but it will sure rising as a economy and political superpower... therefore it has to build a army to protect its economy interests.
china is not going to repeat Qing dynastry's hisotry,(incompetent military while producing 1/3 of the world GDP,ends up beaten by almost every western nation)

P.s My post is pretty much repeating what u said and also stating the obvious.

To be honest hard to say. Does anyone real now the mentality of the USA and Chinese leadership apart from Carictures and other narrow images the mass media gives on these two countries. If the two powers want to be serious about peaceful co existance (as publicly they claim to be pursuing)????

There should some talks on limiting military build up in the Pacific from both sides. Some thing on the line of the 1921 washington naval conferance, which at the time satisfied all the major powers in the pacific except soviet union.

I know it is easy said then done or even pure fantary but if they want peace then make an effort if they want conflict politically, economically and lastly militarily they are heading that general direction.

However prob wont happen suprised if it did. Recent statements from Rumfield declaring China being at a "Strategic Crossroads" and renewed recognition both are each others futures enemy or atleast rivals. Does not look good.