Skywatcher
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Honestly, it's probably one of those idiot things that just dies in Committee or on the Congressional floor.
China-US-Taiwan Economic (Temp closed-pls read my last post)
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If US were to send forces to Taiwan it would be blatant aggression against China of which Taiwan is a part. Organising an invasion might well take weeks but it would also be unnecessary. China would declare the ports and airports of Taiwan closed as it has the right to do under international law. From that time ships and aircraft using those ports and airports won't be insured. It would then take hours to organise the interception of the few ships and aircraft still trying to reach the island. After that it is a matter for the diplomats.
Jura The idiot
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LOL it may soon get hot here
Nations who want to trade with taiwan will always find a way to do it. Military, china cannot block taiwan, neither in the air nor in the sea. The US navy wouldnt allow it.
manqiangrexue
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What do you mean what can China do about it? He already outlined a pre-emptive strike, say right when it passes congress too, which I doubt it will. PLA missile barrage is ready, takes no time. The rest take maybe 3 days, to a few hours to move into position. It's literally not possible that they don't have multiple plans in place right now for the quickest-possible executed strike to retake Taiwan at moment's notice. The only thing here to discuss is what kind of ugly political aftermath, economic troubles China would deal with after taking an island that it smoked with 2,000 missiles. It's unpleasant, not progressive, and it would involve many Chinese civilian casualties (as in, all of the people in Taiwan), so China doesn't want to do it, but if pushed on the issue, everything is worth it to finish the Taiwan issue.
If the US thinks it's going to do its normal rounds with 16 months of back-and-forth paperwork and legal action to put troops in Taiwan while China considers just how to change its military doctrine to accept US troops in Taiwan, they don't know China at all. In case you lack historical education, China has already declared that it is more than willing to go to nuclear Armageddon with the US if the US insists on supporting Taiwan's independence.
There's a lot of things that you'd think the US wouldn't "allow." A nuclear China was one of them. Then, a Chinese-occupied militarized SCS. Heck, the US is bound by treaty (as a precondition to Ukraine giving up nuclear ambitions) to not "allow" anyone to invade Ukraine. If you wanna get even lower than that, the US once declared that it would never "allow" the Philippines to separate from the US LOL. Now you think the US wouldn't "allow" Chinese military action on Taiwan? Are you not chuckling inside? Did they even make that claim? The US couldn't even bluff that with a straight face so they resorted to "strategic ambiguity" on how much help it would give to defend Taiwan. Translation: if it looks bad, we're out. Right now it's not looking good, and each year with China's rise, it looks worse.
In my honest opinion, this is a stupid ruse to see how much they can get a rile out of China and take a slim chance to see if it could result in Chinese cooperation on North Korea. Trump said China's the king of currency manipulation, then took a call from Tsai, then met with Xi and said that Korea used to be a part of China, then said that he wouldn't talk to Tsai again without Xi's approval, then he said that China's not a currency manipulator, then he said that China's helping on NK, then he said that China tried their best, but it didn't work out, then said that he's frustrated at China's tepid effort. All this happened within less than half a year. He is clearly mentally unstable and I wouldn't take anything this administration says seriously unless I were to see action.
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AssassinsMace
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What can China do about it? That's what Obama thought when he implemented his Pivot to Asia. Taiwan is recognized as a part of China even by the US. US military on Chinese soil without permission is an invasion.
How? Remember the insurance companies will cancel insurance for every ship and aircraft trying to reach the island. Lease companies will not allow their aircraft to be used without insurance. So without anyone doing anything the Taiwan economy will tank and US will be unable to do anything about it.
The obvious next step is "One country, two systems" and PLAN and PLAAF establishing themselves on the existing naval and air bases. Many in US bureaucracy know that so I don't think it will happen.
AssassinsMace
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The US wants to outsource its North Korean policy to China. US can't take on North Korea on its own? Yet somehow China is easier? Trump can't even carry out his promises to deal with China on trade. Why? Because the results for the US economy would be disastrous. Yet somehow it taste better and is more palatable with a military conflict on top of it...
China should hope the US sells AIM-9X Sidewinders to Taiwan given the story of how the Su-22 shoot down over Syria went.
China should hope the US sells AIM-9X Sidewinders to Taiwan given the story of how the Su-22 shoot down over Syria went.
Lots of thing can be done and have been done. An example is "". Foreign warships can be bombed and sank if they are in Chinese territory waters (Taiwan included). Nobody is untouchable, not in 1949 and won't in 2010s and beyond.
P.R. China established diplomatic relationship with USA when there is no American boots on any pieced of Chinese territory, Taiwan included (before that date, there was American boots in Taiwan). That is the foundation of China and USA recognize each other as a state. Breaking that, there is no such recognition, anything can happen or China has all sorts of options.
You do realize that in China you can not see US Marine Security Guards (embassy protection units) in their uniforms outside the wall of their buildings' walls but within the fences. There is a reason for that.
What i mean is that china doesnt have military options regarding the scenario described above. US forces are ready to go to taiwan at a moment´s notice, even before china fires a missile. And besides, wars cant be won with missiles. Even if china fires 2000 missiles (and assuming many wont be shot down/fail/miss target, something that is unlikely) it still wont conquer taiwan and it will start a war with US. As for the nuclear option, easy to say, suicide to do.
Ex: governments can make exceptions to planes and ships that trade with taiwan. When a country wants to trade with another country, theres always a way to do it, very especially if this country has US connivance (and even support).
US navy warships wouldnt need to be in chinese territorial waters to protect taiwan.
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