China tests ASAT

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    I know there was a previous thread on this, but I think this development warrants a new thread. Looks like China actually performed and destroyed a satellite using laser. Not revolutionary technology by world standard, but pretty revolutionary for Chinese.
    http://www.aviationweek.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/CHI01177.xml
     
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    The report you posted sais the satallite was destroyed by a "kill vehicle launched onboard a ballistic missile", not by laser.
    The only laser reference is that incidence were a US imaginarey sat was said to be blinded by a chinese ground-based laser.
    Nonetheless, that is indeed a significant step forward in chinese militaty capabilites.
     
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    Chinese Successful Anti-Satelite Test

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070118/wl_canada_nm/canada_china_usa_satellitekiller_col

    http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003183.html

    Interesting, eh? China has the kinetic kill vehicle, but not the guidance system. Almost an anti-ballistic missile system to I might add.

    Note: I do not know whether or not this topic has been posted yet, or whether or not there is a specific space forum discussion.
     
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    Re: Chinese Successful Anti-Satelite Test

    Couple points I would like to make:

    1. If the U.S. can "assert a right to deny space access to anyone hostile to U.S. interests," why can't other countries assert their own right to deny space access to anyone hostile to their interests? As for Joseph's comment, one can hardly describe satellites controlled by the Pentagon or CIA, and used to guide missiles and bombs as having "peaceful purposes."

    2. While intercepting satellites is an important step toward intercepting ICBMs, they aren't the same, since satellites have a more predictable trajectory. The U.S. had ASAT capability in the 80s, but 20-some-odd years later, its ABM capability is still not completed yet. So China is probably still at least a decade if not longer away from ABM capability.
     
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    They can, but I'm not sure how much effort the US was pouring into any such anti-satellite project. Now you can be sure they will push things forward themselves.

    Chances are there's going to be a space-arms race from here onwards - more than has been seen before.
     
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    We still have a a few ASAT missles lying around. There's not many, and they have been out of production for years. But that production could start up quickly again.

    The arms race has already begun. This story is evidence of that.

    I'm pretty certain that Prompt Global Strikes (or whatever they're calling that God-awful WWIII starting weapons system) is not the answer to ASAT weapons. In order to be effect, you need to know that the attack is coming in advance. That alone is enough to make it completely worthless in an ASAT situation.

    Unfortunately, the only answer to ASAT weapons is the true militarization of space. That means basing defensive weaponry in space, in the form of armed satillites, space stations or even spacecraft in order to destroy the Kill Vehicles. That is a road no one should want to go down (but I'm certain that people in multiple countries do) because it not only makes the concept of MAD invalid but it also opens space to all sorts of weaponry. An excellent vision of this possible (probable) future can be found in our own Jeff Head's Dragon's Fury series of books. :D
     
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    Re: Chinese Successful Anti-Satelite Test

    I think it is fair to say, Chinese have the right to develop ASAT weapon.


    It is very unfair and hypocritical to say, "It is United States' inalieanable right to deny adversaries access to space for hostile purposes."


    "Since the mid-1980s, the United States has had the ability to take down satellites"


    This is just another shining example of the hypocrisy of "do what I say but don't do what I do" mindset.


    “The United States believes China's development and testing of such weapons is inconsistent with the spirit of cooperation that both countries aspire to in the civil space area.”


    And since when did United States actually try to "cooperate" with China? China is blocked from participating in the International Space Station or any other significant space explorations with the west, not to mention many other technologies.

    If anything, China should accelerate the space research, so, it can atleast be on parity, with US. And I will bet you a million dollars, the the day Chinese surpass the American in space tech, the american will start warming up to chinese for "space cooperation".


    National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said. “We and other countries have expressed our concern to the Chinese.”


    "Expressed our concern"... old BUSHISM for "we are making threats to CHINA now" over what they do in THEIR air space.

    As for filing a diplomatic protest over the incident, I have never heard of US filing such protest when Russians are testing theirs, or US testing their own.
     
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    Re: Chinese Successful Anti-Satelite Test

    The US spends 4 percent of its GDP on its military every year while the international average is 2.5. This doesnt take into account of deployment costs due to war, nuclear weapons maintenance ect. Its not as if US annual spending was any different than how much it spent during the cold war years in the 1980s if we dont take in consideration of war costs. Saying that the US is going to increase military spending to arms race levels when it already is, is not saying much.
     
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    Re: Chinese Successful Anti-Satelite Test

    Actually, the United States pushed forward anti-sat technology for a long time, probably starting since Starfish (http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/asat/overview.htm).
     
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