China needs to be a responsible power, that's to prevent western led regime change under SCO

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    Haha, government troops from Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan.. Etc.
     
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    The least China can do in Venezuela situation is sent more weapons to maduro. Sniper rifles and night vision goggles would come in handy for Venezulean troops to fight guerilla warfares against US troops. And more snipers can take out those localtroublemakers and leaders.
    I call those those are ultimate Maoism weapons, and with sufficient number of them, they could drag on forever against imperialist troops. Attack night time and rest daytime
     
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    That is more projection onto China of what a colonialist or "imperial" power would do.

    Being willing to do business with everyone is not the same as intervening in internal conflicts.

    Italy and others also lost big in Libya, even as active of a colonialist interventionist as France was reluctant as the US was corralling a posse to intervene under the guise of a no fly zone. Propaganda only goes so far, anyone who matters knew or surely now knows that the US was acting unilaterally, in bad faith at the UN, coercing some and lying to the rest of the world, driven by special interests within the US elite and internal dysfunction, not genuine US national interest and certainly not humanitarian or any altruistic reason. The net result is damage done to US international standing through an unforced strategic error of its own making regardless of anyone's material gain or loss.

    China may have been overly accommodating and perhaps duped but you are recommending China meet overreach with overreach, and unrealistic overreach at that.
     
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    Venezuela has oil and gold plus other mineral reserves. They can pay for small arms.
    If China wants to keep its image clean because of the trade talks it just needs to do triangular trade with Russia.
    China gets oil and gold from Venezuela as collateral, sells goods and services to Russia like machine tools, then Russia sells small arms and medicine to Venezuela. China sells smartphones to South Africa and they sell food to Venezuela. That kind of thing.

    China should simply act as Venezuela's bank. If they are concerned about doing this deal in mainland China proper at the Shanghai oil exchange, then do it in an autonomous trade zone like Hong Kong or Macao. Back in the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s the Spanish Republican Government sent its gold reserves to the USSR as collateral for weapons purchases. The USSR sold them tanks, airplanes, small arms, etc. They tested their weapons there in what was basically a prelude for WWII. Eventually the Republicans lost, but the USSR got the gold, tested their weapons, and were considered to be a moral force for good. Many international volunteers even joined to fight in the Republican's side all over the world. It was win-win while it happened.

    Unfortunately the conflict was lost in the end to the Spanish Republicans. But the successor government was totally isolated. Especially once the Axis lost.
     
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    What China needs is strong, stable, corruption free allies which can hold their own in a world which is being threatened by american hegemony.

    What is happening in Venezuela is treacherous and deceitful. The same tactics being used to impose american imperialistic hegemony countries who chose to exercize their right as an free and independent state. Whether it be Iran wanting to generate its own nuclear energy, to sustain its economy. Or whether it be Libya wanting to unify African states under one currency, back by Gold. Or whether it be Syria, exercizing its right to lease its port to its ally Russia. Or whether it be Turkey wanting to buy Surfarce-to-Air Missile systems from Russia. Or whether it be Yemenis rejecting a saudi regime installed puppet president. In every instance, one can see how american hegemony is imposed on these countries using economic sanctions, isolationist tactics and military invasions.

    With regards to Venezuela, the american talk of democracy is a farce, laid bare. Where on one end they're rambling and crying about "Russia Collusion," and on the other end they're meddling in the domestic affairs of an independent state. It is beyond farcical, it is blatant duplicitous bullshit by america. It exposes their hypocrisy, and puts them in the exact same category of Nazi Germany.

    Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, american hegemony has started a plethora of conflicts. Invasion of Panama (1989-1990), Gulf War-l Iraq (1990-1991), Military Intervention in Somalia (1992-1995), Bosnian War (1992-1995), Military Intervention in Haiti (1994-1995), Military Intervention in Kosovo (1998-1999), Military Operations in Sudan & Afghanistan (1998), Invasion of Afghanistan (2001-Present Day), Invasion of Iraq (2003-2011), Military Operations in Libya (2011), Military Operation in Iraq (2014-2017), Military Operation in Syria 2014-Present Day), Military Operation in Yemen (2005-Present Day) and Military Operation in Libya (2015-Present Day).

    It seems as though america is in a constant, non-stop state of war, around the world. With such a militaristic country running rampant on this planet. China and Russia need allied countries which can keep their shit together, by ensuring that corruption is exterminated and internal security is solidly established. Trade needs to be secure, so that China and Russia can establish alternatives to World Bank, International Monetary Fund, International Payments Network and an end to the Petro-Dollar. With a firm alternative system established, strong allied states set roots (Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan,Turkmenistan & Pakistan), and there is seamless trade flowing between these countries with Russia and China under S.C.O. Then this will draw in other countries like Malaysia, Algeria, Venezuela, South Africa, Argentina, Indonesia and perhaps even Brazil to join the Sino-Russian economic sphere. Trade would even be able to interact with Europe and the rest of Africa and Latin America.

    S.C.O's core group needs to be economically, politically and internal security wise, on sound footing. As it does, we would see increase in military spending and greater footprint of S.C.O military presence around the world to protect its trade interests.
     
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    Seems like this is the most relevant and recently active thread for this article. Despite the US-centric slant of the article it highlights an important topic of note for Chinese and US military observers.

    https://warontherocks.com/2019/05/bombs-over-belgrade-an-underrated-sino-american-anniversary/

    Con'td next post due to character limit
     
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    Cont'd from previous post due to character limit

     
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    Have Americans gone mad? Celebrating a cowardly murderous attack on a civilian building as a “humiliation” for China?

    In the same manner 9/11 was a humiliation for America.
     
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    I remember at the time, that ALL my cohorts believed the line that "they used an out of date map".

    Try as I may, I could not convienced one of my western friends, that this was a deliberate act by the US.

    But I guess years of reading western MSM have led them all to belived the "out of date map" story!
     
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    Nowhere was anyone celebrating. "Anniversary" does not necessitate celebration, indeed many in the US commemorate the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
     
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