China needs to be a responsible power, that's to prevent western led regime change under SCO

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    They call Chinese goons, if the CCP can't even achieve the little thing then they're pretty shitty goons.
     
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    Look at what happened when India backed the new President in Sri Lanka, and he won against the incumbent who was seen as pro-China.

    Soon enough, the financial debts pushed the new Sri Lanka President into working with China.

    I think China does have to stay neutral in Venuezuela.
    China is deeply disappointed with the economic chaos that Maduro/Chavez presided over, which has made many in Venezuela very angry.
    But China is also not particularly happy if there is a US-backed coup.

    Remember the Venezuelan debts are secured by oil exports, so China does have leverage, whoever is in charge.
    And it's in China's interest to see a stable Venezuela, that is not in economic chaos where people don't have enough to eat.
     
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    Morally, I think the question is what is the best for the people of Venezuela?

    My opinion is that Guaido is a better option, so China should be prepared or eager to work with him
     
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    No really. If you think Guaido can't or won't renege Chinese debt you are quite mistaken. His refineries are in the USA. His main oil export client is the USA. The USA is one of the world's major exporters of food. They put nearly all other food suppliers on the region on their side embargoing Venezuela. Do the math. Guaido will renege the debt. Just like Ukraine does not pay for Russian gas.

    They will kick out Chinese and Russian investors and put US and European investors on their place.
    They will claim the deals were illegitimate. Heck, they just confiscated Venezuelan state assets in wholly illegal fashion.

    Also you have been spoon fed too much with Western propaganda. Fact is there are more people on Maduro's side than the MSM likes to show.
    i.e. the people living in government housing which were poorly treated in the previous regime. Why do you think Chavez even got there in the first place?
    Why do you think the USA had to put 7 military bases in Colombia and topple the left-aligned government of Brazil before they went on this charade?

    A real military intervention is not possible, but letting Venezuela collapse to outside pressure without making any kind of move. It is just dumb.
    Next time it might be Iran or North Korea. Most likely Iran.

    Just export Russian medicine to Venezuela and South African food to Venezuela under a barter agreement.
    That is enough to keep a lid on things and force the US to spend massive military resources or give up.

    Venezuela has 120,000 active troops and active conscription for 30 months. They won't be easy to chew up if they have proper supply.
    Why do you think the USA has been starving them out since 2015?

    An UN observer actually described their situation as medieval siege warfare.
     
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    @gelgoog

    Aside from the fact he’s explicitly promised to keep the deals with China and is trying to get recognition from China, how would he go about facing the consequences?

    Firstly, US is not their military ally. China can send gunboats there and take whatever they need to fulfil the debt without US interference, since they have zero casus belli to defend a sovereign power stealing from another.

    Secondly, even the US has major difficulty shrugging off a half hearted economical offensive from China. How in earth would Venezuela with it’s already super fragile economy handle a hit like that?

    With every coup, the US will be wasting resources. When (if) the PLA gets a non self defense budget, China wouldn’t even need to worry about coups anywhere as they could send the fleet to chase off the USN.

    But achieving that budget will take political will. If anything, these coups and violent tactics only serve to increase the threat perception of the US, which provides the political will.

    It would have been impossible to talk increased recruitment in the Hu era with a relatively peaceful US. Yet now we are seeing rumors of a major buildup.
     
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    Assuming if the US could ever formulate any type of serious conspiracy in Iran. Less anyone had forget it was the US backed coup back in the 1950s that propped the Shah to power, which in turn formulated unrest and dissatisfaction which lead to the 1977 Iranian Revolution. All in all which resulted in a spectacular backlash in Iranian-US relationship.
    A Chinese back intervention for Maduro will most likely result in the same, with pent up unrest and dissatisfaction reaching a boiling point somewhere in the near future.
     
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    That was 50 years ago. Were it not for Iran being more self-sufficient than a country like Venezuela do you really think there wouldn't be a coup?
    Just watch what happened here. Some idiot is claiming to be the President when he did not even run for office!
     
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    This is projection onto China of colonialist, euphemistically "imperial", expectations and behavior, not to mention to an extreme and unrealistic degree that is laughable. I suggest you go back and do some homework to learn about what is happening in Venezuela, the actual military capabilities of the various countries, and many aspects of the international political picture. China's principle of non-intervention is one of its most attractive and powerful policies in its ascension in the world order.
     
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    what's "central asia troops", Taliban?
     
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    What you talking about??
    Lol, both Russian and China regretted big time for doing not enough in Lybia. China lost all its investment in Lybia. That's why China and Russia remedied their approach in Syria. Although China didn't send troops to Syria but it actively sent weapons and blocking all Western agendas against Syria in UN. It learned a painful lesson in Lybia for losing all its it's investment there.
    Also myanmar China sent heavy weapons to ethnic Chinese and ethnic groups in Shan States to keep the Myanmar government at bay.

    Nonintervenist most attractive policy my foot.

    The least China can do in Venezuela situation is sent more weapons to maduro. Sniper rifles and night vision goggles would come in handy for Venezulean troops to fight guerilla warfares against US troops. And more snipers can take out those local troublemakers and leaders.

    The future trend is China will be more active and intervenist in its approach as it expand its blue water Navy. That's the future trend!
     
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