China Flanker Thread II

[by78]

Some high-resolution images of J-16 for the weekend.

 

[by78]

 

[asif iqbal]

I prefer the twin seater flanker over the single seater

the spine is beautiful on the twin seater

 

[Deino]

Yet another image of a J-16D EW-variant was posted ... I would like to know if these recent series of new images are still showing the old prototype(s) or if they are finally new-built serial aircraft?

(Image via @ZBAA阿泰/Weibo)

 

[siegecrossbow]

J-16s are other flankers participating in Red Sword 2019.

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[Tam]

Typo on the '2015'.

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2015年のPLAAFがタイで空中戦演習に参加した際の戦績分析をテーマにした北西工業大学のある報告会で、以下本文：SU-27SK(J-11A)VS JAS-39 C/D WVR段階、J-11AがJAS-39に勝ってBVR則が逆転し、JAS-39がJ-11Aに勝った
Translated from Japanese by
A report meeting of Northwestern Institute of Technology on the theme of analysis of the results of PLAAF's participation in aerial warfare exercises in Thailand in the following text: SU-27SK (J-11A) VS JAS-39 C / D WVR stage , J-11A won JAS-39 and BVR rule reversed, JAS-39 won J-11A

 

[siegecrossbow]

Typo on the '2015'.

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2015年のPLAAFがタイで空中戦演習に参加した際の戦績分析をテーマにした北西工業大学のある報告会で、以下本文：SU-27SK(J-11A)VS JAS-39 C/D WVR段階、J-11AがJAS-39に勝ってBVR則が逆転し、JAS-39がJ-11Aに勝った
Translated from Japanese by
A report meeting of Northwestern Institute of Technology on the theme of analysis of the results of PLAAF's participation in aerial warfare exercises in Thailand in the following text: SU-27SK (J-11A) VS JAS-39 C / D WVR stage , J-11A won JAS-39 and BVR rule reversed, JAS-39 won J-11A

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Advantages in radar and aviation can level the playing field between heavy and light fighters.

 

[latenlazy]

Advantages in radar and aviation can level the playing field between heavy and light fighters.

Results not too dissimilar from what we’ve heard about J-10B vs J-11A engagements. Either way pretty suggestive of where Chinese pilots are in terms of WVR skill though. Would be interested in seeing what Gripen vs J-10B would look like.

 

[ougoah]

Results not too dissimilar from what we’ve heard about J-10B vs J-11A engagements. Either way pretty suggestive of where Chinese pilots are in terms of WVR skill though. Would be interested in seeing what Gripen vs J-10B would look like.

With the two examples we are given, then the results between J-10b flown by PLAAF vs Gripen C flown by RTAF would be in J-10b's favour WVR but BVR is a mystery. WVR goes to J-10b because J-10b defeats J-11A WVR and J-11A defeated Gripen C WVR. Although this depends on which pilots the respective airforces selected to do the training and other important details not mentioned.

BVR is too hard to speculate on with J-10B, which seems to fairly evenly match Gripen C given the very limited information available. J-10C with AESA and PL-15 seems to dominate Gripen C. Gripen E with AESA and Meteor is another issue.

PLAAF pilots beating Thai Gripens WVR with heavier and larger fighters is surprising. But then J-11A probably has equal or better thrust to weight than modern flankers fattened up by more electronics. Kind of like how the earliest F-16s were pure dogfighters and really dominated WVR. J-11A pilots would probably also be more experienced. Also the flanker does have exceptional kinematic performance within certain flight envelopes.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Results not too dissimilar from what we’ve heard about J-10B vs J-11A engagements. Either way pretty suggestive of where Chinese pilots are in terms of WVR skill though. Would be interested in seeing what Gripen vs J-10B would look like.

According to Yankeesama J-10A defeated the Gripen pretty thoroughly in WVR and BVR engagements in 2017. I assume that J-10B/C will have a greater advantage.