China Flanker Thread II

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  1. Bltizo
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    Yes, that's what he wrote regarding why he believed there was a benefit to carry training missiles in terms of simulating weight and aerodynamics.

    But my question in #7323 was asking about something else entirely, as to the necessity of training rounds for simulating missiles for DACT.


    It was his most recent post above that I think addressed my question.
     
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    One interesting thing to consider is why China has sent J-10 variants for the past three exercises. Su-27SK/J-11A is easy enough: they use the same radar and has the same general aerodynamics configuration as Vietnamese flankers. With the exception of the Gripen, which is employed by Thailand, no other South East Asian country uses delta-canard fighters. With the maturation of WS-10 engines, I wonder if China is trying to push J-10C exports to Thailand.
     
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    J-16 into the storm...

    (1620 x 1080)
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    The lighting makes it look like a yellow primer bird when it isn’t.
     
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    SAC has new chairman a young buck by the name of Qian Xuesong 40 years old to shake things up a bit They also move into a new factory outside Shenyang. Well now that Hongdu and Shenyang move into new factory when will CAC and Guizhou move into new factory?
    I know a lot of people are allergic to Minnie Chan but this is just straight news no opinion just disregard all those BS

    Young gun takes on innovation mission in top Chinese fighter jet job
    • Appointment of 40-year-old to head Shenyang Aircraft Corporation meant to inject new life into ageing manufacturer
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    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mil...nnovation-mission-top-chinese-fighter-jet-job
    Published: 1:00am, 27 Aug, 2019
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    The J-15 has been involved in a number of fatal accidents in recent years. Photo: AFP
    China has named a young aircraft engineer to head Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) in a bid to rejuvenate one of its key makers of fighter jets.

    Qian Xuesong, 40, was named chairman of SAC last week, succeeding Guo Dianman, the oldest member of the management team, which is dominated by engineers in their 50s.

    A military insider, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue, said the central government hoped that a younger leadership would help the company innovate.

    “President Xi Jinping has expressed dissatisfaction over SAC’s performance over the years. It developed the J-15 years ago,” the source said.


    The fighter jet, the prototype of which made its maiden flight in 2009, has been involved in a number of fatal accidents in recent years. Last year, state broadcaster CCTV reported that the J-15’s unstable flight control system might have contributed to the accidents and that the navy had grounded all of the jets for three months during an investigation.


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    Qian Xuesong is the new chairman of Shenyang Aircraft Corporation.

    Qian’s appointment came just weeks after SAC said it would move its headquarters from Shenyang’s downtown area to a new industrial park in the north of the city.

    The relocation was revealed when the SAC signed an agreement with the Liaoning provincial government on July 10 to spend about 16 billion yuan (US$2.25 billion) on a huge complex, almost six times the size of its existing headquarters, according to the official Shenyang Daily.

    The new headquarters will not only help SAC upgrade its facilities, but also give its affiliated Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute, or 601 Institute, more space to test new aircraft.


    In April, the institute established an aircraft research centre in Yangzhou, Jiangsu province, in collaboration with the municipal government.

    Military observers said that the leadership overhaul, the new headquarters, and the Yangzhou research centre were all steps taken to raise SAC’s competitiveness and technology.


    “Yangzhou is near Shanghai and Jiangsu’s capital city Nanjing, where there are better aviation components supplies, better logistic support and a bigger talent pool,” Hong Kong-based military expert Song Zhongping said.

    “As a city in the booming Yangtze River Delta, Yangzhou has better weather and a better living environment, as well as a geographic advantage to help the 601 Institute hire and keep younger aviation experts and technicians.”

    In May, the Yangzhou research centre started recruiting flight control system designers, specialists in aerodynamics, flight vehicle system designers and other aircraft technicians and specialists from the Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics and other universities, according to recruitment news websites.

    The institute has developed at least seven types of military aircraft including the early-generation J-5, J-6, and J-8, as well as the main fighters in China’s air force today, including the J-11, J-15 and J-16, modelled on the Soviet-built MiG and Russian Sukhoi series aircraft.
     
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    Besides, the FC-31, nearly all of SAC's products copied Soviet and Russian designs. It is time for SAC to move beyond the Russians.
     
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    Well It can't be avoided because in 90's Chinese technological base is weak. It would be nearly impossible to initiate a new fighter program at that time and time is of essence . They want to get that heavy fighter program off the ground ASAP

    Chengdu has it easier since they complement and not the main fighter program. they can take the time It take them 18 years from J 10 concept to first flight

    A lot of people badmouth SAC but let face it J11, J16 and J15 is the front line fighter of PRC without it they are vulnerable to air attack. J20 is sexy but still not produced in large number until today.

    But now they need new paradigm and becoming innovator instead of follower Time is passed for easy engineering work They need to take the initiative and be bold
     
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    Paradigm shift seems like it is necessary for SAC to take risks. It could be a systemic problem to do with the structure of the organisation or some combination of that and underlying cultural barriers. We don't know what SAC is working on for future generations of aircraft so time will tell how effective recent changes and encouragement has effected change. It could be proven that we've been too harsh in judging SAC's efforts.

    Then again maybe AVIC has given SAC the "safe" designs and asked CAC to be more risk taking, hedging PLAAF's current and future fleet in this manner with its two most prominent design bureaus. Therefore we have seen SAC tasked with further improvements and domesticating the flanker design (difference between latest Sino-flankers and Russian ones are probably only skin deep) and going with a "safe" 5th gen design based off the outward shaping and overall concept that is a scaled-down F-22 with DSI intakes. In this way, it is intended to be a step behind the world leading designs but with the latest available Chinese subsystems. A divergence from this path would seem to indicate a change in strategy, greater confidence in design work, and/or Chinese subsystems offering strategic planners alternative paths to take on adversarial forces e.g. matured leapfrog technologies.
     
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    They were given the licenses and told to improve them, as agreed to in the joint project between China and Russia.

    You might as well say Boeing copies U.K. Harriers.
     
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    Excellent post Hendrik, SAC has carried the bulk of the Chinese fighter production with their beautiful Flankers, the J-15 is a gorgeous functional aircraft, it will do almost everything you could ask any airplane.

    But this does make my point to my friend and other critics of LockMart, that President Xi would love to have a LockMart at his disposal, they have been innovators in L/O technology since the 50's!
     
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