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From the days of full service "gas stations", "Check the oil please!", that radar looks a little different?
China Flanker Thread II
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From the days of full service "gas stations", "Check the oil please!", that radar looks a little different?
So far all units getting J16 have been fighter units, no? And there actually seems to be no clear set rule. Some have been given to unit previously using J-7. Some to unit previously using J-11, some to unit previously using J-8. (Su-30 did the same thing when they were put into service 15 years ago)
With Q-5 being suddenly retired, with some units being closed and other units receiving J-7, it certainly doesn't seem like J-16 is ever going to be labeled as a striker in PLAAF. Nor is it likely it will go to units using JH7A anytime soon, as all those JH7A are fairly new, oldest ones being just 14 years old. (note i said "labeled". of course it's going to be used as a striker, among other roles)
Which leaves PLANAF's two units of JH7 as the possible recipients for J-16. Being some 20-25 years old (not sure when serial production started) they're still not that old. But then again, some of the later Q-5 have also been quite new yet they've been hastily retired. With PLANAF actually enjoying quite new planes, much more so than PLAAF on average, it's plausible we won't see J16 coming to PLANAF for a few more years, as urgency to replace all those J7 and J8 is greater within PLAAF.
But once J16 does come...well, IF it comes to PLANAF, it's certainly plausible it would be able to carry the likes of YJ-12. With its dimensions, should be able to do what Su30MKI does for Indian forces, one missile carried centrally per plane. Perhaps even the Su-30MK2 might be modified by then to do the same. 72 flankers and 30-ish H6 carrying YJ-12 would be a fairly lethal force. 72 JH7A could perhaps carry some JY83 successor. (LRASM-y kind of missile would be ideal match, subsonic, stealthy, especially if variant exists with a booster, to be used from ships)
With Q-5 being suddenly retired, with some units being closed and other units receiving J-7, it certainly doesn't seem like J-16 is ever going to be labeled as a striker in PLAAF. Nor is it likely it will go to units using JH7A anytime soon, as all those JH7A are fairly new, oldest ones being just 14 years old. (note i said "labeled". of course it's going to be used as a striker, among other roles)
Which leaves PLANAF's two units of JH7 as the possible recipients for J-16. Being some 20-25 years old (not sure when serial production started) they're still not that old. But then again, some of the later Q-5 have also been quite new yet they've been hastily retired. With PLANAF actually enjoying quite new planes, much more so than PLAAF on average, it's plausible we won't see J16 coming to PLANAF for a few more years, as urgency to replace all those J7 and J8 is greater within PLAAF.
But once J16 does come...well, IF it comes to PLANAF, it's certainly plausible it would be able to carry the likes of YJ-12. With its dimensions, should be able to do what Su30MKI does for Indian forces, one missile carried centrally per plane. Perhaps even the Su-30MK2 might be modified by then to do the same. 72 flankers and 30-ish H6 carrying YJ-12 would be a fairly lethal force. 72 JH7A could perhaps carry some JY83 successor. (LRASM-y kind of missile would be ideal match, subsonic, stealthy, especially if variant exists with a booster, to be used from ships)
They took out the array right up plus the firewall, leaving the back end behind.
Hi Hendrik what kind of helmet pilot is using looks like HMDS or just a ordinary helmetBeautiful shots of J 16 via Lkj86
Thank you
actually the radar is bolted to the front of the "Firewall", they removed the antennae array, but not the radar, and the actual bulkhead labeled the "Firewall" is immediately ahead of the rudder pedals, under the base of the windshield... So the bulkhead immediately ahead of the cockpit is the "Firewall" and likely of heavier material, the bulkhead immediately aft of the cockpit, also of heavier material is the real firewall, since engines and fuel are kept out of and away from the cockpit, but it is referred to as the aft cockpit bulkhead.
The exception to this is for avionics cooling, as fuel is used as a "heat sink" for the avionics, electronics, etc, etc.. also on 5 Gens fuel is used as a "heat sink", to lower the surface temperature of aircraft "skins".
So the radar looks much different without the antennae array
Thanks for clarifying. I was referring to the array itself and the wall just behind the array that separates it from the back end electronics.
You're welcome, and thanks for the great picture, oddly my real interests are aerodynamics and airframe structures and powerplants, Avionics, Weapons systems, weapons, are of secondary interest, as long as we have an internal gun on fighters.
I'll also confess to a "love affair" with Sukhoi's pretty lady, now also built by Shenyang, the Flanker is beautiful in all its iterations, but I'm convinced the Chinese build a much cleaner, higher quality airframe, I believe the Chinese Aerospace industry personel are highly motivated to produce the best.
Most welcome. Too bad, we can't see the array, it appears removed and may have been taken for maintenance. The back end looks like a Faraday cage, the arrangement of the components is nothing we have seen with other Russian fighter radars.
This one is N011 Bars, used with the Su-30MK. The radome is removed so you can see the array but note the slanted line which means the nose enclosure itself hasn't been opened, and if opened up that would be like you would see on the second photo. There are large vent holes on the wall behind the array and you can see its back end, but its different from the J-11's.
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