China Flanker Thread II

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jobjed

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Any new developments from Shaheen exercise? In regards to Chinese flankers beating JF-17s, that doesn't mean much at all unless we know specifics of the exercises. Like it was mentioned a few pages back, Su-30s beat and got beaten by F-15s and EF-2000s in past exercises. Doesn't mean much unless we know all the details. In this case, it means nothing really. Probably Chinese media drumming up some nationalism with a "OMG look one of our fighters can beat two pakistani ones". Completely pointless. Only idiots will draw any conclusions from that alone. However, it wouldn't surprise me that even given a level 1vs1 playing field, Su-27 modernised variants will easily defeat JF-17. It's half the size, range, payload, and radar output. China never bought this because it's got short legs and that was unacceptable. Su-27 variants still King of the air in East Asia. PLAAF Su-35s are top dogs, nothing comes close (not counting F-22s in Japan :p). Surprised J-11b are capable planes? Good luck with everything else then. It's like how people were comparing F-15J to J-11 a few years ago without knowing the F-15Js have not been modernised and would barely be able to go up against JF-17s today if nothing else is used as support. Soviet Union lost the Cold War partly because they couldn't keep up with the economic might of the USA and they went broke trying to strengthen their military. China has done the opposite and ought to invest more if anything.

Like I said in a previous comment, the article was published not to jeer at the PAF, but to report on the PLAAF pilot's tenacity. The relevant segment in the article is this:

这是一次2对2空战对抗,他与战友对抗巴方两架“枭龙”。然而,就在起飞前战友的飞机出现了小情况。

  2对2变成了1对2,朱振华没有申请取消对抗。战机升空后,他放开手脚,敢打敢拼,经过数个回合“激战”,最终抓住稍纵即逝的战机取得空战胜利。“Mr.ZHU,good job!”酣畅淋漓的对抗后,巴方飞行员拍着朱振华肩膀说,不只是为他的技战术,更为他身上的血性。

The synopsis states that the PLAAF pilot took off with a wingman whose aircraft encountered problems and had to pull out of the exercise. However, the remaining pilot continued with the exercise even though he had the option of calling it off, and subsequently won a hard-earnt 1 v 2 victory. The PAF's pilots then congratulated and commended him on not just his skills as a pilot but his determined and persistent character. This innocuous account of an isolated event in an extremely comprehensive exercise somehow got spun way out of proportion by fanboys.
 

FORBIN

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Like I said in a previous comment, the article was published not to jeer at the PAF, but to report on the PLAAF pilot's tenacity. The relevant segment in the article is this:



The synopsis states that the PLAAF pilot took off with a wingman whose aircraft encountered problems and had to pull out of the exercise. However, the remaining pilot continued with the exercise even though he had the option of calling it off, and subsequently won a hard-earnt 1 v 2 victory. The PAF's pilots then congratulated and commended him on not just his skills as a pilot but his determined and persistent character. This innocuous account of an isolated event in an extremely comprehensive exercise somehow got spun way out of proportion by fanboys.

When you don't post a files in English you must provide a translation... and on the weibbo i have see things ! not all but enormeous posts ! i don't talk for Chinese forums... never see that on western internet, books magazines always neutrals even with/vs USSR during Cold War, 40 years in the business...
 

FORBIN

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Do we know how large is the first brigade that got J16? How many J16 planes does it supposed to have?
Enough expensive with a AESA radar and heavy fighter... I would say as Su-30MKK* 18 or 20 surely not 28 as for J-7/10.

*They have just enough with 73 i have ( 76 delivered, 3 losses ) for 4 Rgts whose one Agressor unit with some in reserve, for attrition etc... even possible 16 birds by Rgt.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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(AVIC) recently for the 1st time publicly unveiled J-11D testing on high plateau through their official video (近日,中航工业官方发布的视频中首次公开了歼-11D在高原进行测试的画面。虽然画面一闪而过,但还是被细心的军事观察员们所捕捉到了。从现场画面参试人员的装具来看,其测试条件应该十分艰苦,包括高原缺氧、强紫外线照射。综合各方面信息来看,这组镜头应该并非是近期拍摄的。)

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siegecrossbow

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Via Grey boy from pakdef
(AVIC) recently for the 1st time publicly unveiled J-11D testing on high plateau through their official video (近日,中航工业官方发布的视频中首次公开了歼-11D在高原进行测试的画面。虽然画面一闪而过,但还是被细心的军事观察员们所捕捉到了。从现场画面参试人员的装具来看,其测试条件应该十分艰苦,包括高原缺氧、强紫外线照射。综合各方面信息来看,这组镜头应该并非是近期拍摄的。)

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Is this a recent test or historic footage?
 

by78

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Via Grey boy from pakdef
(AVIC) recently for the 1st time publicly unveiled J-11D testing on high plateau through their official video (近日,中航工业官方发布的视频中首次公开了歼-11D在高原进行测试的画面。虽然画面一闪而过,但还是被细心的军事观察员们所捕捉到了。从现场画面参试人员的装具来看,其测试条件应该十分艰苦,包括高原缺氧、强紫外线照射。综合各方面信息来看,这组镜头应该并非是近期拍摄的。)

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I wouldn't repost anything from Grey Boy at PDF without a mountain of salt. He's got an unimpeachable record as a fanboy, specializing in fabrication and misrepresentation.
 
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