China Flanker Thread II

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FORBIN

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At present, the J-11B / BS fighter aircraft equipped with nearly 150,
Navy-type J-11BH / BSH equipped with more than 70

In addition, the introduction of the early 90s of last century Su -27SK / UBK fighter body life has been running out
 
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PiSigma

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There is other explanation for the resume production of J11 B

  1. The new J - 11 B that appears in Shenyang last year was produced to compensate for the Navy 's loss machine, it seems not to be restarted.

    the other reason is the urgency of J 16 and J15 production
  2. In addition to the J-11B variant of the production, such as the J-16 and J-15 also in the Naval Air Corps Due to the large demand there is priority to that production> J-11D is highly likely not to be produced

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How different is B to D?? As in if they want to upgrade to D specs later would it be easy? My train of thought is D research is taking longer than expected so they build Bs to fill the gap for now. Once D is finallized (if ever) they start to produce D and upgrade B.
 

LudwigWeber

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Nope, this one is dedicated Chinese flanker.
I meant this one:
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(translation isn't mine, russian original:
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And also this:
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Maybe a little outdated, but quite useful.
 

SinoSoldier

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So, "PUPU" has officially "confirmed" that the J-11D program has been canceled. Rumors from Henri K. also suggest that the four prototypes have been dismantled.

Don't know what to make of this, but the dismantling of the prototypes could only mean one of two things:
1. The financial situation at SAC is dire, necessitating the cannibalism of existing J-11D prototypes.
2. The J-11D project has not been formally "terminated" but rather is undergoing a major design shift.
 

Deino

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So, "PUPU" has officially "confirmed" that the J-11D program has been canceled. Rumors from Henri K. also suggest that the four prototypes have been dismantled.

Don't know what to make of this, but the dismantling of the prototypes could only mean one of two things:
1. The financial situation at SAC is dire, necessitating the cannibalism of existing J-11D prototypes.
2. The J-11D project has not been formally "terminated" but rather is undergoing a major design shift.


But even if the project has been cancelled, why should they dismantle the prototypes ?
 

SinoSoldier

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But even if the project has been cancelled, why should they dismantle the prototypes ?

For the reasons mentioned above? If SAC is really short on money, they could re-use the parts on the J-11D prototypes for existing or future fighters programs.
 

Totoro

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If true, it'd signal a wise move on the part of Chinese defense ministry and PLAAF. Maybe they've realized it's better to use the money for more J20 than to split the funds between J20 and something last-gen, such as J11D.

Perhaps project was started years ago under different management, back when things weren't so clear on J20's success, or perhaps back when SAC had more clout with Chinese govt., so projects were also given to them just for political reasons, to keep them alive.

Various subsystems made for J11D could and should still find their way to upgraded Flankers, of course.

And SAC itself, even if it's not successful at winning some orders for any of their newly designed products, should be given production rights of some other projects, be their CAC's or XAC's. Imagine J10B, for example, being built both at CAC and SAC simultaneously.
 

dingyibvs

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I like what I'm hearing. As I mentioned in another thread, I just don't see the point of having a plane that serves the exact same role as the J-20, except worse in every respect. I think a complimentary plane to the J-20 would be a high speed stealth tactical bomber, the rumored JH-8. I think the leaked design is a bit small though, I'd prefer something with say 4 WS-15s, and capable of carrying at least 2 YJ-12 sized missiles or 6 of those ultra long range AAMs for shoot and scoot missions at stand-off range against high value air, ground, and sea targets in a highly hostile environment.
 

Inst

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Modern 4th gens are expensive. If you consider the F-35 and the Silent Eagle as a comparison, the heavy use of composites, as well as the AESA, drives up costs so much that the only reason legacy aircraft are cheaper is because they were built at lower levels of inflation.
 
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