China Flanker Thread II

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Franklin

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This is why China should invest in the J-31. Its should be a air superiority fighter that would be part of hi lo mix with the J-20. J-31 would defend China's territory and the maritime space while the J-20 can perform deep penetration strikes.

If China is cancelling the J-11D to invest in the J-31 it would be good news. The US is building a all stealth fleet with F-35 and China should have some kind of answer to that. And that's the J-31.
 

Blitzo

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This is why China should invest in the J-31. Its should be a air superiority fighter that would be part of hi lo mix with the J-20. J-31 would defend China's territory and the maritime space while the J-20 can perform deep penetration strikes.

I'm not sure why you would think that of the roles of both J-20 and FC-31 -- their roles would be mostly complementary and similar with the main difference being that of range and sort of payload.

But yes, obviously there is a sensible rationale to procure a domestic variant of FC-31, if the development of large twin engine 4+ generation fighters really are not that competitive and more costly than single single 4+ generation fighter.
 

Franklin

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I'm not sure why you would think that of the roles of both J-20 and FC-31 -- their roles would be mostly complementary and similar with the main difference being that of range and sort of payload.

But yes, obviously there is a sensible rationale to procure a domestic variant of FC-31, if the development of large twin engine 4+ generation fighters really are not that competitive and more costly than single single 4+ generation fighter.
There is another key difference between the J-20 and the J-31 which is price. The J-31 would be much cheaper than the J-20 and therefor you can produce more of them. Personally I don't think the Americans idea of a all stealth fleet made up of F-35's is a good idea. So China (and other countries) should keep the 4+ gen planes in their inventory and keep the production lines open. But a plane like the J-31 does have its uses and not only in terms of combat but also psychologically and politically.
 

kriss

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I think here:
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It's just a big shrimp says bulk force of future air force will be made of long range aircraft, J-20, J-10C/D, and J-16. The guy in your link read the leaf and claim,"J-11D is not mentioned --> J-11D cancellation confirmed!" Then people here trying to read leaf from your post and start a pages long not really constructive discussion.
 

Deino

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It's just a big shrimp says bulk force of future air force will be made of long range aircraft, J-20, J-10C/D, and J-16. The guy in your link read the leaf and claim,"J-11D is not mentioned --> J-11D cancellation confirmed!" Then people here trying to read leaf from your post and start a pages long not really constructive discussion.


So it's once again the issue that the absence of a proof does not prove the contrary?
 

plawolf

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There is another key difference between the J-20 and the J-31 which is price. The J-31 would be much cheaper than the J-20 and therefor you can produce more of them. Personally I don't think the Americans idea of a all stealth fleet made up of F-35's is a good idea. So China (and other countries) should keep the 4+ gen planes in their inventory and keep the production lines open. But a plane like the J-31 does have its uses and not only in terms of combat but also psychologically and politically.

Like how the F35 is 'much cheaper' than the F22? ;)

The PLAAF would have paid especially close attention to that whole messy story, and so would be very keen to not make the same mistakes.

SAC's decades of underperform and the low regard the PLAAF holds it would also work heavily against the J31.

Simply put, the PLAAF lacks faith in SAC being able to deliver on time and on budget, so why would it divert funds from an already phenomenally successful project, from a company with an examplary track record, and from a clearer more capable design to gamble on SAC being able to break a habit of a lifetime and actually deliver what the they promised?

The extra cost, logistical burden and uncertainty over the project just doesn't justify any PLAAF investment given they already have the J20.

Considering how much it will cost to bring the J31 to operational state and the costs of setting up the production line and costs of making the plane, I really question just how much, if any actual savings the J31 might bring compared to just building more J20s short of ludicrously optimistic JSF like projected production numbers.

The F35 only made sense because the USAF wanted to go full stealth and wanted to sell it to everyone under the sun and their dog.

But even with such a vast production run, the unit price is still eye wateringly over budget, never mind the original sales pitch.

I think the most likely way SAC will end up building stealth fighters for the PLAAF is if they were given a second J20 line to run.
 

SinoSoldier

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According to pupu's latest statements, the J-11D program is still up and running. The Su-35SKs were purchased in order to assess the role and efficacy of the J-11D within the PLAAF (i.e. if the PLAAF is happy with the Su-35SK, they will go ahead with the J-11D).
 

davidau

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J 11 BS using Taihang WS 10....what an agile bird!...




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