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And then there's the need for targeting drones, so J-7 and J-8 aircrafts might still have explosive futures.
China Flanker Thread II
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JayBird
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Don't know how practical it can be, but I remember someone else mention this tactic before a while back. That old J-7/J-8 jets could be modified into cheap attack drones piloting from the ground or control by other fighter jets or maybe AEW plane to swamp attack a target.
janjak desalin
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Even better, I think, would be to use them as air-defense picket screens/skirmishers deployed in three or four teams of two or three in a 120 degree arc at about 50 km ahead of air-defense fighter teams. Replacing their radars with state-of-practice IRST modules data-linked to an airborne control craft (possibly the air- defense team leader), and loading them up with PL-9s, should make them sufficiently threatening to 5th generation fighters as to require some tactical adaptation. Certainly opposing 5th generation fighters wouldn't waste their complement of BVR missiles on these "decoys", yet either allowing detection by their IRST, or any form of active engagement, could increase one's vulnerability. Additionally, simply turning tail to evade would increase one's IR detectability.
As I anticipate that this particular modality is currently being researched for drone use anyway, why not use an existing platform to save that portion of the expense, at least?
But, maybe these suggestions for future development of the J-7 should be in the J-7 forum?
plawolf
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One of the problems with converting obsolete fighters for drone work is that fighter jets are very complex and demanding machines that cost of a lot money and time to keep flying (target drones are far less demanding as they just need to be able to make a one-way trip).
As jets age, that problem becomes worse as parts age and new spares become scarce.
It is pretty much impossible for a ground controller to fully utilise the full performance capabilities of a converted fighter jet, so in effect, you are paying a lot in terms of servicing and maintenance costs for capabilities you are never going to fully use.
I would say J7s are only good for target drone conversions.
J8s might have some uses as a picket/BVR drone.
The J8s were never all that agile, and instead relied on speed and a good sized radar. A ground controller could make good use of both.
I would say J8s would make useful drone pickets. But forget about retrofitting IRST (save that for new built UAVs you want to keep alive).
I would just keep or maybe upgrade their radars with sets removed after other jets had their radars upgraded, arm them with a pair of PL12s and have them ping away full active while zooming around.
Your manned jets can loiter some distance back, and use their radars to passively look for anything the J8s might illuminate.
Remember, stealth fighter tech works mostly based on scattering and/or redirecting the incoming enemy radar energy so it doesn't go back to its original source.
One could potentially design a pattern whereby you have your manned assets flying silently and in formation to your actively emitting J8 drone where you could expect the radar energy from the J8 to be reflected by a stealth bogy, thereby effectively creating a huge, networked radar array to circumvent stealth shaping.
The point, I think, is to make it an essentially expendable asset that is too dangerous and annoying for your enemy to leave alive.
That forces your opponent to either waste munitions, and their element of surprise, taking out these throw-away drones, or risk being revealed and engaged by them.
Either way, you are reducing risk to your own high value manned assets, while robbing the enemy of their biggest advantage.
I think this could be a viable tactic for forces with no, or limited stealth assets to counter enemy stealth fighters at reasonable cost.
As jets age, that problem becomes worse as parts age and new spares become scarce.
It is pretty much impossible for a ground controller to fully utilise the full performance capabilities of a converted fighter jet, so in effect, you are paying a lot in terms of servicing and maintenance costs for capabilities you are never going to fully use.
I would say J7s are only good for target drone conversions.
J8s might have some uses as a picket/BVR drone.
The J8s were never all that agile, and instead relied on speed and a good sized radar. A ground controller could make good use of both.
I would say J8s would make useful drone pickets. But forget about retrofitting IRST (save that for new built UAVs you want to keep alive).
I would just keep or maybe upgrade their radars with sets removed after other jets had their radars upgraded, arm them with a pair of PL12s and have them ping away full active while zooming around.
Your manned jets can loiter some distance back, and use their radars to passively look for anything the J8s might illuminate.
Remember, stealth fighter tech works mostly based on scattering and/or redirecting the incoming enemy radar energy so it doesn't go back to its original source.
One could potentially design a pattern whereby you have your manned assets flying silently and in formation to your actively emitting J8 drone where you could expect the radar energy from the J8 to be reflected by a stealth bogy, thereby effectively creating a huge, networked radar array to circumvent stealth shaping.
The point, I think, is to make it an essentially expendable asset that is too dangerous and annoying for your enemy to leave alive.
That forces your opponent to either waste munitions, and their element of surprise, taking out these throw-away drones, or risk being revealed and engaged by them.
Either way, you are reducing risk to your own high value manned assets, while robbing the enemy of their biggest advantage.
I think this could be a viable tactic for forces with no, or limited stealth assets to counter enemy stealth fighters at reasonable cost.
Shenfei (Shenyang Aircraft) is applying for relocation-the actual time, new location are not disclosed.
沈飞搬迁进入报批阶段
本报讯（华商晨报 掌中沈阳客户端主任记者 房延彦）也许未来几年，沈飞集团会搬迁，为首府新区腾出发展空间。
记者昨日从皇姑区获悉，目前该区正在积极推进沈飞搬迁工作。而这项工程，将为皇姑区释放产业发展空间以及沈阳做大做强航空航天产业打开双赢局面。
目前，沈飞搬迁已经进入报批阶段。至于沈飞搬迁的具体时间、将搬迁到的具体地点等问题，目前尚未确定。据预测，未来2-3年内沈飞搬迁可能会有实质性进展。
皇姑区主要领导表示，如果沈飞搬迁获批，原地除对原沈飞标志性元素进行保护和保留之外，将借鉴国内外老机场搬迁后转型成熟商业中心的成功经验，再对该地块进行科学规划。
沈飞搬迁进入报批阶段
本报讯（华商晨报 掌中沈阳客户端主任记者 房延彦）也许未来几年，沈飞集团会搬迁，为首府新区腾出发展空间。
记者昨日从皇姑区获悉，目前该区正在积极推进沈飞搬迁工作。而这项工程，将为皇姑区释放产业发展空间以及沈阳做大做强航空航天产业打开双赢局面。
目前，沈飞搬迁已经进入报批阶段。至于沈飞搬迁的具体时间、将搬迁到的具体地点等问题，目前尚未确定。据预测，未来2-3年内沈飞搬迁可能会有实质性进展。
皇姑区主要领导表示，如果沈飞搬迁获批，原地除对原沈飞标志性元素进行保护和保留之外，将借鉴国内外老机场搬迁后转型成熟商业中心的成功经验，再对该地块进行科学规划。
English translation please
vesicles
Colonel
The English that A.Man has on the top pretty much summarizes it all.
JayBird
Junior Member
There is not much to translate, as A.man first sentence pretty much summarized the whole article. Shenyang Aircraft institute is currently applying for relocation. But no new location is disclosed yet. They are still waiting for approval from the government.
But once they did, the plan is to turn the old airport into a commercial center like other successful examples from the past. And only some Iconic elements of the old location that represent Shenfei will be preserved.
But once they did, the plan is to turn the old airport into a commercial center like other successful examples from the past. And only some Iconic elements of the old location that represent Shenfei will be preserved.
Is it just a relocation within Shenyang or are they moving to a new city altogether?
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