There's no dashed line that actually connects the "air drop vehicle" picture to the aircraft itself... ;p
China Flanker Thread II
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There's no dashed line that actually connects the "air drop vehicle" picture to the aircraft itself... ;p
well, the Russians have done it. They've finally decided that they won't get to take part in the J-11B project and won't get su-35 orders, so they've taken this route. btw, there is no indication that China will ever export flankers (especially when they got JF-17 and J-10 as more likely items).
Londo Molari
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lol, can you really sue someone for reverse engineering something?
Looks to me that suing is Russia's new way to profit off the arms trade. They haven't landed many large contracts lately, so they are going to try to sue on infringement of stuff they've sold already in a desperate attempt to get some cash. Look at the recent attempt to collect royalties on the AK-47. I doubt many of these efforts will go anywhere.
Baibar of Jalat
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Simply yes.
China can do two things. 1, Ignore Russian lawsuit because how they gonna enfoce decision. 2, Seek a compromise, furthur cooperation, etc. The second one is the best option.
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Where do you think they going file the lawsue? WTO? China? I doubt it. Most likely I think it's a threat so China wouldn't mass produce and export them to other countries.
I wonder if China can add a pair of canards to it's Flanker and it tail stabilizer a bit longer just make it look a bit different than the SU-27.
Watch your language lad!!
Where do you think they going file the lawsue? WTO? China? I doubt it. Most likely I think it's a threat so China wouldn't mass produce and export them to other countries.
I wonder if China can add a pair of canards to it's Flanker and it tail stabilizer a bit longer just make it look a bit different than the SU-27.
Watch your language lad!!
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AmiGanguli
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Even if there were a reasonable place to file suit, Russia might not have much of a case here.
Reverse engineering is not illegal. In most places you can write a no-reverse-engineering clause into a contract. In some places that's not even possible - reverse engineering is considered to be an important right and can't be traded away in a contract. One reason for this is that most IP law is designed to encourage the publishing of information in the form of patents. The patent monopoly is a reward for publishing the technology. If you could get the same protection by just using trade secrets, then there would be no reason to have patents.
If there were patents involved then of course that would provide a basis for a lawsuit, but patenting something involves publishing it in a patent database that's publicly available. Not something you do with classified military equipment. It would be pretty funny if you could go to the patent office in Moscow and find the plans for the Su-35
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And of course, there's the question that was brought up already of how exactly they would file suit. Sovereign states have a lot of leeway, even under WTO rules, to take action on issues of national security. I haven't read the specific treaties, but this is almost always taken into account.
Edit: Just out of curiosity, I Googled the following (
... Ami.
Reverse engineering is not illegal. In most places you can write a no-reverse-engineering clause into a contract. In some places that's not even possible - reverse engineering is considered to be an important right and can't be traded away in a contract. One reason for this is that most IP law is designed to encourage the publishing of information in the form of patents. The patent monopoly is a reward for publishing the technology. If you could get the same protection by just using trade secrets, then there would be no reason to have patents.
If there were patents involved then of course that would provide a basis for a lawsuit, but patenting something involves publishing it in a patent database that's publicly available. Not something you do with classified military equipment. It would be pretty funny if you could go to the patent office in Moscow and find the plans for the Su-35
.And of course, there's the question that was brought up already of how exactly they would file suit. Sovereign states have a lot of leeway, even under WTO rules, to take action on issues of national security. I haven't read the specific treaties, but this is almost always taken into account.
Edit: Just out of curiosity, I Googled the following (
... Ami.
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I feel sorry for Russia their sinking lower and lower now when it comes to money, first sue AK-47 copies, second IL-76 transport increase price, and now this. If China was still buying large arms sales from Russia they wonuldn't fuss about this.
But you got to admit they do have a point. Russia really boost started China military industry, gave assistance, knowhow, re-structure, advisor and helped with some projects.
But you got to admit they do have a point. Russia really boost started China military industry, gave assistance, knowhow, re-structure, advisor and helped with some projects.
Londo Molari
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And without China buying all these arms, the Russian economy would be in a much worse condition. Business is business, Russia can't claim to be a victim.
And the other thing is, I have not seen any indication that China wants to export the J-11 in the first place.
And the other thing is, I have not seen any indication that China wants to export the J-11 in the first place.
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