China Flanker Thread II

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They still have production capacity problem with Taihangs that's why the recent AL31F order, otherwise we'll be seeing serial production J10s with Taihangs by now. Liming simply cannot make enough engines for all the jets SAC and CAC are pumping out.

That order of AL31Fs is for the J-10As, not the J-11Bs. IMO, continuing to use the AL31Fs on the J-10As saves a lot trouble in terms of logistics and having to modify the J-10 engine nacelles and its mountings in order to fit in new WS-10As. If continuing to use the AL-31s on the J-10A is actually less work and saving cost, why not?
 

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That order of AL31Fs is for the J-10As, not the J-11Bs. IMO, continuing to use the AL31Fs on the J-10As saves a lot trouble in terms of logistics and having to modify the J-10 engine nacelles and its mountings in order to fit in new WS-10As. If continuing to use the AL-31s on the J-10A is actually less work and saving cost, why not?

Not exactly ... if I remember correctly, then there were two recent contracts just both announced within a few days: the first for the AL-31FN for J-10A and indeed also several AL-31F for the Flankers ... ! But as far as I know not for new aircrfat but as replacement engines for older used ones.

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It seems that it sports a grey randome which indicates that this new type of aircraft is originally fitted with some sort of new radar.

Well we can actually see jack all. It has square fin tips so for all we know it could be another refurbished MKK.
 

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Hey I'm Raptor man 01, we agree on that Jr. Flateric had some russian docs he would send me, but I can't translate them, I told him you I can't wait for the first mock fights between the F-35 and the Raptor, it will be a turkey shoot.LOL
Agreed...but that would be using the Lightning II for what it was not intended.

It is a strike fighter...primarily meant to put ordinance on the ground.

If it goes into an enviironment where air superiority is still contested, and where there may be other 5th gen fighters contesting that space, it better have some honest to gosh 5th gen air superiority fighters escorting it. Like the F-22.

The F-22 is a fighter jock's fighter. Meant for air superiority and dominance and taking on all comers in that areana.

The F-35 is meant to carry ordinance to the enemy surface (ground or ships) and then be able to adequately mix it up against equal to or lesser air opponentns who stand in the way of its principle mission.

As long as they use ot for that, it will do fine.

In a Sea Control role where it does take up fleet defense, again, as long as it's equal to or less than...it'll do fine. It has stealth and suprioer training and weapons than the vast majority of those whom they may face. But if something like the F-22 is coming along to clear the space...then the F-35 is going to be in a heap of trouble.

That's why the US needs 500 or more F-22s and not 195 or whatever rediculously low number it is. Itr is also why the US NAvy needs a new Air Superiority/dominance fighter for fleet defense to take the place of the F-14, which has never really happened, though the Superhornet outfitted for fleet defense with AMRAAMs is about as good a split decision as you will get. A newdedicated air superiority fighter is needed and is what I would push for.

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The Su-30-ish looking thing is supposedly the legendary J-16... What a let down. There are rumors that it will have TVC taihang though. If previous rumors of the aircraft's role as a strike fighter are true then I don't know why TVC nozzles are installed.
 

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The Su-30-ish looking thing is supposedly the legendary J-16... What a let down. There are rumors that it will have TVC taihang though. If previous rumors of the aircraft's role as a strike fighter are true then I don't know why TVC nozzles are installed.

Why strike fighter cant have TVC? If its true, forumer Mig-29 will lost the bragging right of its Su-35.

I can't wait for good news of J-10A still beating J-16 equip with TVC. LOL..
 

hmmwv

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If Mr. Song is right then J10's maneuverability is crazily good, I don't think a TVC equipped flanker will have a decisive edge over it in dogfight, it'll come down to pilot skills. I won't be surprised if a TVC equipped flanker lose to a J10 if the latter has a great driver.
 

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Why strike fighter cant have TVC? If its true, forumer Mig-29 will lost the bragging right of its Su-35.

I can't wait for good news of J-10A still beating J-16 equip with TVC. LOL..

I think Jeff did a good job explaining why strike fighters don't need TVC. Their primary task is to target ground/sea based assets so air-combat is secondary. Adding TVC nozzles seem like a waste consider the extra weight/maintenance cost.
 
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