China Flanker Thread II

[Air Force Brat]

or PLA release such news so that western defense analyst can giggle in front of their monitors saying PLAAF pilots are that bad after all

Yes kinda of like the bad politics that killed the F-22 production in favor of an F-35 thats good enough, a little interservice rivalry can go a long way toward elimination of the best elements, that each service could bring to the fight. The Army, Marines, and to some extent, even the navy are more interested in a Strike Aircraft with some A2A, rather than an Air Superiority Fighter with some A2G. IMHO

Its one of the by products of having independant services all vying for a bigger piece of an ever shrinking pie, but in our case having civilian leadership in power over the services has worked out reasonably well all things considered.

 

[SinoSoldier]

i am eager to know what are your specifics on the J-11B upgrades from the J-11/vanilla Su-27

As far as I know the J11B incorporates a new radar, the original one being a PD radar, but it is rumored AESA is installed. Other upgrades include radar absorbent material near the intakes and composites that reduce its weight by over 700 kg. A new engine is installed as well as a missile warning approach and IRST. A new OBOG system is installed. The cockpit differs from the Su-30 and Su-27SMK due to its asymmetric nature and its large upgraded LCD screens. Dielectric panels are also installed on the stabilizers. Essentially the airframe design is the only link between the J11B and the Su27, with the internal systems completely different.

 

[MiG-29]

As far as I know the J11B incorporates a new radar, the original one being a PD radar, but it is rumored AESA is installed. Other upgrades include radar absorbent material near the intakes and composites that reduce its weight by over 700 kg. A new engine is installed as well as a missile warning approach and IRST. A new OBOG system is installed. The cockpit differs from the Su-30 and Su-27SMK due to its asymmetric nature and its large upgraded LCD screens. Dielectric panels are also installed on the stabilizers. Essentially the airframe design is the only link between the J11B and the Su27, with the internal systems completely different.

Among the Su-35 design features, worth of note is the absence of an overhead brake flap, a standard characteristic of the Su-27. Its functions are performed by an active rudder. The Su-35 chassis has been reinforced because of the increased takeoff and landing weight of the aircraft. For the same reason, the front bearing has two wheels. The improved radar stealth reduces the reflectance of the Su-35 in the X radio waveband and in the angle range of ±60°.




Irbis-E radar detects air targets with an absolute cross section of 3 m2 on a head-on course at a range of up to 400 km

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there are a few new features not present on Su-27s that have been added on Su-35, J-10B is a logic evolution, since Su-35 also has been improved

 

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J-11BS or Su-30???

 

[SinoSoldier]

J-11BS or Su-30???

It's likely to be a MKK. Perhaps a J-11BS but we haven't seen them in this kind of camo before.

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Among the Su-35 design features, worth of note is the absence of an overhead brake flap, a standard characteristic of the Su-27. Its functions are performed by an active rudder. The Su-35 chassis has been reinforced because of the increased takeoff and landing weight of the aircraft. For the same reason, the front bearing has two wheels. The improved radar stealth reduces the reflectance of the Su-35 in the X radio waveband and in the angle range of ±60°.




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there are a few new features not present on Su-27s that have been added on Su-35, J-10B is a logic evolution, since Su-35 also has been improved

The Su35 obviously makes changes to its original skin to meet its mission requirements. Their internal configuration and systems are completely new. What I was trying to say is that the J11B is like the Chinese equivalent of the Su35. Both are upgrades of the Su27 to meet requirements of the twenty first century.

 

[Deino]

It's likely to be a MKK. Perhaps a J-11BS but we haven't seen them in this kind of camo before.....

Sorry, but where do You see a camo in this blurred images ????

 

[SinoSoldier]

Sorry, but where do You see a camo in this blurred images ????

nvm, i meant its fuselage patterns ... usually the mkk sports a white streak on the sides of its randome

 

[MiG-29]

It's likely to be a MKK. Perhaps a J-11BS but we haven't seen them in this kind of camo before.

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The Su35 obviously makes changes to its original skin to meet its mission requirements. Their internal configuration and systems are completely new. What I was trying to say is that the J11B is like the Chinese equivalent of the Su35. Both are upgrades of the Su27 to meet requirements of the twenty first century.

The Russian Sukhois have different variants and the Su-35 has supercruise, and thrust vectoring nozzles, which makes me think comparing it to J-11 is not acurate.

The J-11Bs is more equivalent of the Russian Su-27SM2 variant

The upgraded Su-27SM2 has improved radar and engines, however if the new Al-31 is fitted this jet will supercruise, so the J-11B still can not be compared to the modern Su-35 and upgraded Su-30SM since it lacks TVC nozzles, in fact the Su-27SM3 is just a downgraded Su-35BM with lower thrust engines.

The Su-30SM is the Russian equivalent of the Su-30MKI with upgraded avionics

Контракт на поставку 30 многоцелевых истребителей Су-30СМ подписан Минобороны России с производителем этих боевых машин, корпорацией "Иркут". Военно-воздушные силы страны должны получить их к 2015 году.

Многоцелевой истребитель Су-30СМ, разработанный "ОКБ Сухого", продолжает линейку боевых самолетов семейства Су-30МКИ. Эти истребители, серийно выпускаемые Иркутским авиационным заводом – филиалом ОАО "Корпорация "Иркут", успешно конкурируют на мировом рынке с современными боевыми самолетами иностранного производства, указал представитель Минобороны.

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[SinoSoldier]

The Russian Sukhois have different variants and the Su-35 has supercruise, and thrust vectoring nozzles, which makes me think comparing it to J-11 is not acurate.

The J-11Bs is more equivalent of the Russian Su-27SM2 variant

The upgraded Su-27SM2 has improved radar and engines, however if the new Al-31 is fitted this jet will supercruise, so the J-11B still can not be compared to the modern Su-35 and upgrades Su-27SM3 since it lacks TVC nozzles, in fact the Su-27SM3 is just a downgraded Su-35BM with lower thrust engines.



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I don't think thrust vectoring should be the only dividing line between aircraft, but i guess it depends on how your interpret "comparable". The Su35 does have TVC, but again it shares many similar upgrades with its Chinese counterpart such as airframe lightening, radar absorbent material, and more. The Chinese Flanker should be comparable to the Su35 in most aspects except for engine thrust and vectoring. Similarity is what I'm trying to emphasize on.

 

[MiG-29]

I don't think thrust vectoring should be the only dividing line between aircraft, but i guess it depends on how your interpret "comparable". The Su35 does have TVC, but again it shares many similar upgrades with its Chinese counterpart such as airframe lightening, radar absorbent material, and more. The Chinese Flanker should be comparable to the Su35 in most aspects except for engine thrust and vectoring. Similarity is what I'm trying to emphasize on.

There is a tendency to think J-11B has achieved parity with modern Russian sukhois thinking Russia has not upgraded their fleet.

The Su-30SM is basicly a modernized Su-30MKI and new build for the Russian air force

О том, что военные решили закупить русифицированную версию известного Су-30МКИ, созданного на базе коммерческой модели Су-30К специально для Индии, заговорили во время прошлогоднего авиасалона МАКС-2011. Алексей Федоров тогда сказал, что поставки этих самолетов по госпрограмме вооружений определены с 2013 года.

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If you see what i mean is it can not be comparable for several reasons, the Su-30SM has the poststall enveloped widened, it means it will perform maneuvres the J-11B won`t do.
It also will have its turn rate improved and if the new jet engine is also fitted it will supercruise.

The Su-35BM is even better, Russia will start delivery of Su-30SM in 2013.

Russia has also tested new missiles and avionics, so is not only China`s J-10 or J-11 that have moved ahead, the Russians have also improved their Su-30s and Su-35s