China developing new heavy-duty carrier rockets

Autumn Child

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China is building a new range of carrier rockets designed to send heavyweight satellites into space, boosting the current carrying capacity by nearly three times, a space expert has said.
The Long March 5 rockets will be able to carry payloads of up to 25 tons for low earth orbit satellites, up from the current limit of 9.2 tons, said Wu Yansheng, president of the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT), which is developing the new series of launch vehicles.

"Meanwhile, the carrying capacity can reach 14 tons from the current 2.6 to 5.4 tons while sending satellites into geosynchronous orbit, like Chang'e-1," Wu said.

China's first lunar probe, Chang'e-1, named after a legendary Chinese goddess who flew to the moon, blasted off on a Long March 3A carrier rocket at 6:05 p.m. on Oct. 24 from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in southwestern Sichuan Province.

In addition to bigger capacity, the Long March 5 rockets will be designed using pollution-free technologies, Wu said.

"The new generation of carrier rockets are expected to blast off within six to seven years," said Ma Xingrui, general manager of the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation.

The Long March 5 rockets will lift off from a new space launch center in Wenchang, in the southern island province of Hainan. The new center, the fourth in China, is expected to be completed in 2012 and formally put into use in 2013.

The new series of rockets will be made in a new base located at the Binhai New Area in the northern port city of Tianjin, and construction on the base has kicked off on Tuesday.

The first phase of the carrier rocket base, to cover 3,000 mu (200 hectares) in area, will be completed at the end of 2009. A total of 4.5 billion yuan (600 million U.S. dollars) will be invested in the project, said Yu Liegui, deputy head of the Commission of Science Technology and Industry for National Defense.

"After completion, the base will meet the demands of China's space technology development and peaceful use of space for 30 to 50 years, and help achieve a rapid development for China's launch vehicle technology and a sustainable development for the country's aerospace," Yu said.

China has launched 103 Long March carrier rockets since April 24, 1970, when the Long March-1 successfully sent Dongfanghong-1 satellite into the space.

I am no military expert on PLA rocketry, but I think there might be huge implication of this new development on military technology. I would like to ask the experts on this forum to share some thought on wether this development impacts Chinese military in space (bigger spy atelites) and on earth (ballistic missiles) greatly.
 

crobato

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Unless you are making some sort of space battleship, 25 tons is even way too heavy for military use unless you plan on making an orbital platform for military use. Your average military satellite weighs much less, and a lot less, and its actually better to develop military microsatellites, whose weight can be man carried, then launched on small boosters similar to ICBMs on mobile TELs. The KT-1 and KT-2 already fits the bill.

The direct implications of super heavy carriers actually means less for military implications, but because China may be intending to send larger and larger space craft into space. The current Shenzhou is already quite large, larger than Soyuz. All these are steps likely pointing to an orbiting space station.
 

Roger604

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Wow, 25 tons is more than the Ariane 5. I wonder if it's possible to build a directed energy cannon and launch it into LEO. For example, it can be solar powered and intercept any incoming missile attack with its laser. :D
 

King_Comm

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Wow, 25 tons is more than the Ariane 5. I wonder if it's possible to build a directed energy cannon and launch it into LEO. For example, it can be solar powered and intercept any incoming missile attack with its laser. :D
==Or a laser that is so powerful that it can destroy anything on the surface of the earth and up to 10 meters underground on a fine day?
 

GermanChinese

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you guys all focus on military aspects on this case. with heavier transportion you can step in into the lucrative market of satellit transportation in low orbit or geo orbit. also if some billionaire want to have his space holiday planned, the new rocket come in handy :)
 

Violet Oboe

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Today China has more billionaires than Japan and is trailing only the US in that respect so they should do something patriotic for their country and invest a small part of their wealth into a CHINA SPACE DEVELOPMENT FUND !:china:

Perhaps they can make a decent profit and get a seat on a Shenzou flight to Chinas's orbital station as a bonus!:D

(...without any kidding: China's aerospace industry has to tap the new opportunities of the financial markets! With all the fresh money coming in from Shanghai's gambling traders they could mount a manned moon mission within a decade...:))
 

紫影QQ

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I think the main reason for this new carrier rocket is to carry heavier payloads of the future.

One of China's main Space goal is to set up her own Space Station. The components required for such a difficult project are quite heavy. The existing rockets would not be suffice to carry such load.
 

GermanChinese

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Today China has more billionaires than Japan and is trailing only the US in that respect so they should do something patriotic for their country and invest a small part of their wealth into a CHINA SPACE DEVELOPMENT FUND !:china:

Perhaps they can make a decent profit and get a seat on a Shenzou flight to Chinas's orbital station as a bonus!:D

(...without any kidding: China's aerospace industry has to tap the new opportunities of the financial markets! With all the fresh money coming in from Shanghai's gambling traders they could mount a manned moon mission within a decade...:))

Well in that respect if they really become so "patriotic" even reaching Mars in 20 years is possible :china: , if chinas economy going to boost steady until then :)

Did china even have the technology to build his own space station? i think for both the china space programm and the world that china could participate into the ISS would be much better, but the US is refusing :(
 

紫影QQ

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Did china even have the technology to build his own space station? i think for both the china space programm and the world that china could participate into the ISS would be much better, but the US is refusing :(

I am not sure about the technology, but China does have the capability. Don't forget, China is still a learner in terms of Space technology and experience compared to the US and the former Soviet Union.

China is making rapid progress on this sector especially with the successful launch of her first lunar orbiter the Change '1.

This is still the first stage of the 3-part moon mission. As China progresses she would have the technology and experience for Space Station goals.

In regards to the ISS, there is very little chance for China to participate, this is because the US still carry the cold war mentality.
 

AssassinsMace

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Interesting that China has put people into space yet when you read the media they make it sound like China is in a space race with countries that haven't even put anyone into space. China isn't the one in the space race since the Chinese space program has been pragmatic and conservative so far while everyone else is mostly motivated because of China.
 
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