China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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Excerpt from a video showing the launch of a Chinese SLBM Intercontinental JL-2

 

[abc123]

* WARNING: Following is a side-effect of being unemployed.

Thought I'll create a comparison of PRC's ICBM and SLBM. Lot of speculation and assumptions has been made. This is off-course incomplete. I have to add DF-41, DF-4, DF-5A/B. I also home to add the max warheads carried. Later-on I might add Other ballistic missile like DF-21/26 etc as well as ASAT and ABM.

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Can you say anything more about JL-2C?

 

[Hyperwarp]

I have seen just one slide about the JL-2C. Some claim the JL-2C and JL-3 are same missile. I am not so sure. JL-2C can carry up to 4-MIRV. The range of the original JL-2 is not enough to reach the ConUS. It's range is about 7200 km to 7400 km. JL-2C may have increased that to between 8000 km to 9000 km depending warhead count. I think JL-3 might be a completely separate system with the possibility of carrying 6 - 10 MIRV at a range of 10,000 km.

 

[abc123]

So, Type 094 should be able to use JL-2C? But JL-3 would need larger Type 096?

I don't see why would someone make JL-2C ( with up to 9000 km range ) if they can't hit anything east of Seattle even from Gulf of Bhai, not to mention from South China Sea?

 

[FORBIN]

So, Type 094 should be able to use JL-2C? But JL-3 would need larger Type 096?

I don't see why would someone make JL-2C ( with up to 9000 km range ) if they can't hit anything east of Seattle even from Gulf of Bhai, not to mention from South China Sea?

Yet we are not completely certain for J-2 range so wait for the C but quite sure according Hyperwarp post/range fit in 094's tube it is a variant not a new missile...

 

[antiterror13]

I have seen just one slide about the JL-2C. Some claim the JL-2C and JL-3 are same missile. I am not so sure. JL-2C can carry up to 4-MIRV. The range of the original JL-2 is not enough to reach the ConUS. It's range is about 7200 km to 7400 km. JL-2C may have increased that to between 8000 km to 9000 km depending warhead count. I think JL-3 might be a completely separate system with the possibility of carrying 6 - 10 MIRV at a range of 10,000 km.


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Basically if it can't reach the US (continental), why bother to develop JL-2C .. so I believe the JL-2C range is long enough to cover at least the west coast of the US .. perhaps not New York (yet)

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Basically if it can't reach the US (continental), why bother to develop JL-2C .. so I believe the JL-2C range is long enough to cover at least the west coast of the US .. perhaps not New York (yet)

Well here is the distance between Bohai and Bangor or San Diego

 

[Hyperwarp]

Basically if it can't reach the US (continental), why bother to develop JL-2C .. so I believe the JL-2C range is long enough to cover at least the west coast of the US .. perhaps not New York (yet)

It is a problem of size. SSBN have a very confined space. JL-2 is only 13m. JL-2 is more for regional defense against Russia, India and all US bases in the pacific. India does not have the anti-submarine capability of the US and Japan. A 094 might hiding in the Indian ocean right now.

Story is similar to the DF-31 vs DF-31A. DF-31 estimate are between 13m to 16m and the range with 1MT warhead is about 8000 km (or less), while the DF-31A is closer to 18m and has a range of at least 11,000 km with a 1MT warhead. DF-31A length is about half (or less) than that of the DF-5A/B.

But you must understand that China lacks SLBM monsters like the UGM-133 which in theory could carry up to 12 thermonuclear warheads. RSM-56 can carry up to 6 and R-29RMU2 up to 12.

JL-2 max range is 7,400 km (warhead config and yield unknown. I think it is 12,000 km with a small 30 KT warhead)
JL-2A?/B? max range 12,000 km (1x 250 KT or 3x 60 KT warheads)
JL-2C (not in the slide) max range unknown but likely to at least 9000 km with 4x warheads of greater yield than above.

I hypothesize that the JL-2 and perhaps JL-2A/B can be launched from 094 while JL-2C probably require the 094A. A new 10,000+ km SLBM with 6 to 10 MIRV (JL-3?) will need the new 096 SSBN

 

[FORBIN]

It is a problem of size. SSBN have a very confined space. JL-2 is only 13m. JL-2 is more for regional defense against Russia, India and all US bases in the pacific. India does not have the anti-submarine capability of the US and Japan. A 094 might hiding in the Indian ocean right now.

Story is similar to the DF-31 vs DF-31A. DF-31 estimate are between 13m to 16m and the range with 1MT warhead is about 8000 km (or less), while the DF-31A is closer to 18m and has a range of at least 11,000 km with a 1MT warhead. DF-31A length is about half (or less) than that of the DF-5A/B.

But you must understand that China lacks SLBM monsters like the UGM-133 which in theory could carry up to 12 thermonuclear warheads. RSM-56 can carry up to 6 and R-29RMU2 up to 12.

JL-2 max range is 7,400 km (warhead config and yield unknown. I think it is 12,000 km with a small 30 KT warhead)
JL-2A?/B? max range 12,000 km (1x 250 KT or 3x 60 KT warheads)
JL-2C (not in the slide) max range unknown but likely to at least 9000 km with 4x warheads of greater yield than above.

I hypothesize that the JL-2 and perhaps JL-2A/B can be launched from 094 while JL-2C probably require the 094A. A new 10,000+ km SLBM with 6 to 10 MIRV (JL-3?) will need the new 096 SSBN


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Interesting pics but especialy in more for nucl weapons i have some doubts for reliabilty... you ?
One is able to translate ? for help us

30 kt ridiculous warhead no Strat Missiles have it.

After good points but for the true ?

 

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30 kt ridiculous warhead no Strat Missiles have it.

After good points but for the true ?

I wouldn't agree with that assesment. After all, Hiroshima was destroyed with 20 kt warhead. So, who would like that his city is hit with 50% stronger weapoon than Hiroshima? Remember, nuclear weapon is a psychological weapon. Nobody would like to be hit by either 30 kt or 1 MT warhead.