China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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SanWenYu

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Yo , SanWonYu
Here's something for you to read. Why China being dissed.
Even the mouthpiece Global Times is calling to change that.
Your thinking is outdated.
Name calling like this is very rude. I spare you for this first time.

The Global Times is well known for playing hawk. It is just how it survives in competition. Unlike People's Daily (and some other state-run media that I don't need to name them all here), the Global Times is not worth anyone reading their lips for knowing China's policies.

"Won't use nukes first in wars". "Won't use nukes on countries who don't have nukes". "Build and maintain only the bare-minimum level of nukes". These are the fundamental policies regarding nuclear weapons declared by the China government since China tested her first a-bomb. The guys in Zhongnanhai don't appear to be changing their mind on these policies.

My thinking is apparently in line with them. Come back and call me "outdated" only when any of them changes.
 

SinoSoldier

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JL-2C? What does the text say?

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Back onto the topic of ballistic missiles...

If Bill Gertz in indeed correct on the JL-2C/JL-3, then it's highly likely that the SLBM is based on the DF-31B. Both missiles would have 3-4 MIRVs (even though I still suspect that current JL-2 missiles have them as well) and a ~12000 km range, roughly matching the capabilities of early-iteration D5 Tridents.

Come to think of it, the DF-31B is pretty much the only upgrade path for the JL-2 program, as developing a SLBM from the 21-meter DF-41 is out of the question.
 

Hyperwarp

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Back onto the topic of ballistic missiles...

If Bill Gertz in indeed correct on the JL-2C/JL-3, then it's highly likely that the SLBM is based on the DF-31B. Both missiles would have 3-4 MIRVs (even though I still suspect that current JL-2 missiles have them as well) and a ~12000 km range, roughly matching the capabilities of early-iteration D5 Tridents.

Come to think of it, the DF-31B is pretty much the only upgrade path for the JL-2 program, as developing a SLBM from the 21-meter DF-41 is out of the question.

Hmmm, yeah, that actually makes sense. China needs a new generation of larger SSBN (096?) to carry 6 - 10 MIRV/HGV capable SLBM. Currently, not comparable to Trident C4/D5, M51 in terms of warhead capacity. C4 can carry up to 8-MIRV while D5 can carry as much as 12-MIRV. French M51 can carry up to 10-MIRV.
 

Hendrik_2000

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From Henri K The research and development phase of Hypersonic jet is coming to and end after 10 yrs and 1.8 Billion dollar
It has advance greatly the fundamental science of Hypersonic flight and control and create a rich body of patent, material,aerodynamic,propulsion, technical demonstrator boost glide DZF.
An impressive achievement. I have debate with Iron Man about China Hypersonic R&D . It is definitely very advanced stage! no less so than US
They also developed models and associated simulation methods, and mastered high-precision aerodynamic and thermal test methods.
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After nearly 10 years of development,
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, which has the objective of addressing the fundamental scientific issues around the " hypersonic vehicles manoeuvrable long range, moving between 30 and 70 km altitude ".

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Laser scattering of burning nanoparticles Scramjet (Source: NSFC)

Started in April 2007, this program has already financed a total of 173 subjects, 26 of them qualified major and 5 strategic, with a total budget of 190 million Yuan.

These projects aim to achieve concrete results in aerodynamics, advanced propulsion, structure and ultra-light materials, prediction of the thermal environment and its protection, as well as the intelligent and autonomous control of hypersonic gear.


Researchers from some thirty different teams have published more than 2,200 theses listed in SCI and EI, filed 270 patents, and presented some of the results of their research 150 times before their international colleagues.

Please note that we regularly find some of the names associated with them weapons Chinese hypersonic projects, such as the craft Boost-Glide DF-ZF , or the Sramjet propelled vehicles, which have gradually emerged from Of 2012.

The NSFC communiqué indicates that the program has achieved significant and innovative results in the following areas:


  • With the new theories in complex hypersonic flow, Chinese scholars have deepened their understanding of the multi-physical effects in the issue. They also developed models and associated simulation methods, and mastered high-precision aerodynamic and thermal test methods.
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    Testing of ablative materials (Source: NSFC)

  • New methods for designing the air intake of hypersonic devices have been developed which have led to a better understanding of the hypersonic combustion mechanism and to the development of methods to control it effectively and stably. The research also filled the gaps in specific propellant, and improved the ability to integrate the propulsion with the fuselage.

  • The new concepts and methods for the fine control of hypersonic devices have been applied successfully in industrial projects. Flight dynamics modeling was established, as were the self-adaptive active flight control methods and the air-thermo-elastic vibration control methods.
Based on my monitoring of this program in recent years, a chronological overview can be created over the period 2007-2013. Data on the capitalization phase of the program between 2014 and 2015 are not yet available.

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Synopsis of NSFC's "空间 飞行器 飞行器 飞行器 的 基础 问题 programme" program (Source: East Pendulum)

The interest of this fundamental research program lies in the fact that it has made it possible to train some thirty teams of young researchers in the field of Near Space and in hypersonics. These researchers, both academic and industrial, have built a solid scientific framework to support concrete industrial projects, some of which, if not the majority, are of a military nature.

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Tests in the hypersonic blower JF-12 of the IMECH Institute

Thus, the first Chinese scramjet machine with axisymmetric configuration, developed by the aerospace group CASIC, realized its inaugural flight in 2012 and reached a speed higher than Mach 5, at an altitude of more than 20 km.

The DF-ZF military hypersonic glider project, which has already completed seven successful flights between 2014 and 2016, may also have benefited from some of the results of this NSFC program. It is the same for another hypersonic drone project, developed this time by the aerospace company AVIC (see our article "
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").

The NSFC, which was chaired by the Chinese Prime Minister, was set up in February 1986 with the aim of developing the system for distributing funds for research and development in the country.

Since 2010, this foundation devotes more than 10 billion yuan (~ 1.3 billion euros) each year to finance the various projects in all scientific fields. The sum reached a new record in 2016 with more than 19 billion Yuan spent in a single year.

With 190 million Yuan funded over 10 years, this fundamental R & D program around Near Space hypersonic devices is probably only a grain of sand in the tip of the iceberg. In this conquest of speed and altitude already launched between the great powers of the world, China's strategic objectives to develop these new vectors of ultra-rapid projection, the scientific and industrial framework that have been set up to support the various Developments, and how these projects are funded and carried out so far, are all worthy of further exploration.

To be continued.

Henri K.

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tidalwave

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Name calling like this is very rude. I spare you for this first time.

The Global Times is well known for playing hawk. It is just how it survives in competition. Unlike People's Daily (and some other state-run media that I don't need to name them all here), the Global Times is not worth anyone reading their lips for knowing China's policies.

"Won't use nukes first in wars". "Won't use nukes on countries who don't have nukes". "Build and maintain only the bare-minimum level of nukes". These are the fundamental policies regarding nuclear weapons declared by the China government since China tested her first a-bomb. The guys in Zhongnanhai don't appear to be changing their mind on these policies.

My thinking is apparently in line with them. Come back and call me "outdated" only when any of them changes.

name calling? huh, do you understand meaning of that?
saying your name is the not same as name calling. If I call you a bigot, then that's name calling.
you need to brush up your english.
 

Red Moon

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name calling? huh, do you understand meaning of that?
saying your name is the not same as name calling. If I call you a bigot, then that's name calling.
you need to brush up your english.
Lol, his English is fine; you've read it too fast. The offense he refers to is your calling him "outdated", though I agree it's not as bad as "bigot". ;)
 

tidalwave

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Lol, his English is fine; you've read it too fast. The offense he refers to is your calling him "outdated", though I agree it's not as bad as "bigot". ;)

Lol, you need to improve your english, name is a noun. outdated is not a noun. name calling refers to a noun that carries quite a negative impression. No one except you and him use like that.

I think both of you have some valuable english lesson in this forum.
 
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SanWenYu

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name calling? huh, do you understand meaning of that?
saying your name is the not same as name calling. If I call you a bigot, then that's name calling.
you need to brush up your english.
Cut out this childish rubbish. You're not worth me doing your parents' duty.
 
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