China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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plawolf

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"TEL-1" isn't a TEL (no erect mechanism or support gear), and is almost certainly just a civilian super heavy truck carrying commercial cargo.

Take note of the backgrounds on those two sets of pictures.

In the first set, civilians are all over the place and getting very close up and personal without any sign of a police or military escort in sigh. That is a typical scene on the roads in a Chinese city, but just does not happen if it was a TEL or even transporting a missile.

Notice how in the second set of pictures, there are clear police escorts around the TEL, and the roads are empty except for police and military vehicles.

That is a sign that it is the real deal.

China doesn't mess around with the security of its ICBMs, and routinely close and clear entire highways ahead of such convoys (also sometimes for to officials).

In addition, it would be exceptionally rare for Chinese ICBMs to venture into population centres like cities because there is no need, and also because doing so would require a massive security operation to clear and secure the routes in the city, and the disruption would not be worth it. The only exception to that would be for national parades in Tianmen square, but since that is part of a larger parade, most of the extra security measures would already have been put in place for all the other military person and hardware.
 

Hyperwarp

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TEL-2 is strange. It needs 2 drivers, one on the left and another on the right?

Actually TEL-2 and TEL-3 are quite consistent with the Topol-M and Yars TELs:

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FORBIN

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For a time i find some news i hope good about China Military in English rare :)
Replace DF-5A/CSS-4


Latest generation of Chinese Intercontinental Ballistic Missile ICBM DF-41 could enter in service.

The latest generation of Chinese-made
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could enter in service with the Chinese armed forces early this year. Tong Zhao, a nuclear security expert at the Carnegie Tsinghua centre in Beijing, said the DF-41 did a number of things that old missiles could not.

In August 2015, China has tested its newest intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM)
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with two guided simulated nuclear warheads.

The August flight test was the fourth time a DF-41 (CSS-X-20) long-range missile has been tested in the last three years and allegedly confirmed that the ICBM is capable of carrying multiple warheads.

The Pentagon’s annual reports to Congress on China’s military several years ago stated that China halted development of the
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. However, after flight tests in 2012 and December, the Pentagon reversed its assessment. The latest report said, “China also is developing a new road-mobile ICBM known as the Dong Feng-41 (DF-41), possibly capable of carrying multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRV).”

The
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(also called CSS-X-10) is a Chinese-made road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile which has an estimated operational range from 12,000 km to 14,000 km. The Chinese are believed to have started the design and development of the DongFeng-41 (DF-41) in 1986.

The
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uses an inertial guidance, likely with stellar updates and a Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) system, which provides it with an accuracy of 100-500 m CEP. The DF-41 ICBM uses three-stage solid-fuel rocket engine and can carry a load of 1,000 kg including 10 to 12 independently targetable warheads. The three-stage solid-fuel DF-41 missile is larger than the
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, and has a range of up to 14,000 kilometers. The missile can flight at a maximum speed of Mach 25.

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Broccoli

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hum, 1000kg load, and 10-12 warheads...+ decoys, balloons....:rolleyes:
50-80kg per warhead...it's few....

50-80kg? That could be weight of the physics package (that includes explosives) but then you have to add the weight of re-entry vehicle now your weapon weights 200kg or more depending on materials used.

Here is some information about the lightweight W76 (160-200kg) and problems such fine design brings with it.
A New York Times article by William Broad ("A Fierce Debate on Atom Bombs From Cold War") published 3 April 2005, reported the existence of a debate about the reliability of the W76:

Several factors lie behind the current worries and repair plans. The W-76 is one of the arsenal's oldest warheads. As warheads age, the risk of internal rusting, material degradation, corrosion, decay and the embrittling of critical parts increases.

The overhaul to forestall such decay is scheduled to go from 2007 to 2017. In all, it is expected to cost more than $2 billion, say experts who have analyzed federal budget figures.

Questions also surround the weapon's basic design. Four knowledgeable critics, three former scientists and one current one at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, which designed the W-76, have recently argued that the weapon is highly unreliable and, if not a complete dud, likely to explode with a force so reduced as to compromise its effectiveness.

"This is the one we worry about the most," said Everet H. Beckner, who oversees the arsenal as director of defense programs at the National Nuclear Security Administration.

The chief concern regarding the warhead's design is the extremely light radiation case employed:

Leaders at Los Alamos wanted the case to be as lightweight as possible, so they envisioned it as extraordinarily thin - in places not much thicker than a beer can (albeit with plastic backing for added strength).

Its physical integrity was vital. The case had to hang together for microseconds as the exploding atom bomb generated temperatures hotter than the surface of the sun, forcing it to emit radiation that kindled the thermonuclear fire. If the case deformed significantly or shattered prematurely, the weapon would fail, its thermonuclear fuel unlit.
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