Because China's ultimate goal is moral leadership and not a military domination. The toys are useful from time to time. Those are just that, toys. Is China worst off for not putting emphasis on those toys ? In the long run, no. The Chinese philosophies worked out over the 1000's of years will stand the test of time, and you will see one of the periodic fruits of that within your life time.
China and the development of firearms
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Because China's ultimate goal is moral leadership and not a military domination. The toys are useful from time to time. Those are just that, toys. Is China worst off for not putting emphasis on those toys ? In the long run, no. The Chinese philosophies worked out over the 1000's of years will stand the test of time, and you will see one of the periodic fruits of that within your life time.
No. No and no again. The main reason that the Chinese do not further develope the firearms was because at that time bows and crossbows are more effective, faster in reloading and in many cases easier to manufacture as compared to canons and guns.
The first gun used by the Chinese are not effective, it was in a form of a spear that can propell a pellet out, the range is limited and not really strong.
Of course, the old Chinese philosophy plays some parts but if you have been to the army, you would know, these philosophy means nothing, especially when you are facing the enemy straight on and these weapons could save your skin... and I believe, it is common sense that the generals who fought side by side their men would have some inputs in weapon design.
Finally I don't see what weapon design would have a great impact on the philosophy of the Chinese. A weapon, be it bows and crossbows or canons and guns was used to kill and stop your enemy, so what is the difference?
WTF?
there is a difference between a fall and having fallen. There is a difference between Japan claiming to become china and Japan becoming China.
solarz
Brigadier
ROFL........ You should do comedy.
What a freaking cop out, you are the one that endlessly compare China to Rome, how Rome have fallen and other people claim they are the new Rome, therefore when Japan claim they are the new China, and by your logic China have fallen.
Then tell me genius, WTF is China now? If Japan think they are the new China?
And this will be the 4th time I am saying this, just because YOU THINK YOU ARE, does MAKE YOU ARE. SO Japan THINK it is the new China, does that make them the new China? Just because HRM, the Turks, the Russian THINK they are the new Rome does that make them Rome?
Well it is possible another empire base on Roman culture, language, religion would have risen after the fall of Roam and call it self the successor of Rome, but it never happen. Just as it is freaking impossible to say China have fallen because other says they are the new China, because China is STILL/ALWAYS THERE!!!!!
And, no just because China got weak and Japan think they can took over it is status, that does not mean Japan is the new China. The only way for Japan to became the new China is to invade and conquer China, and have the majority damn Chinese population accept that Japan is now the new ruler of the Chinese dynasty.
Remind me again, when did that dynasty happen?
This is about the 4th time I am explaining this, this is like a concept that the even a high school student can understand. Unless you are one of those FREE TIBET!!!" "EASTERN TURKISTAN!!!!" "DOWN WITH HAN IMPERIALISM" trolls that see everything China is the reincarnation of evil itself.
In that case, there is no arguing with someone like you, because you troll me good.
Weapons design had no impact on Chinese philosophy. However, Chinese philosophy did, and will have impact on weapon design. They see using weapons as the primary tool for influence is for the simple minded. Weapons design and development is not as important to the Chinese because their philosophy allows them to use other means to achieve their goals. For instance, Chinese coats guard ships have no weapons. Yet these ships are just as effective as foreign ships that do have weapons and water cannons.
This is what we call "Ah Q 精神" to the max. And is a freaking joke at best.
By your logic, the Chinese now should stop all developement of new weapons, neuclear and the such. But I am glad the CHinese leaders are not that gullible.
solarz
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Errr... It should be pretty clear that ChinaGuy is a joke. Why do you even respond to him?
Why would they ? They are advancing on all spheres now, because their circumstances now allow them to. You would have noticed Chinese weapons development was non-existent/stagnated until fairly recently because it wasn't a priority for them. Likewise their nuclear weapons development was a non-priority until after the korean war. The moment they had a needed for nuclear weapons, they developed it. Same would be true for other weapon technologies. The only determining factor is the need for them, and the need for them is low in Chinese philosophy compared to other nations. To this days, Chinese coast guard ships have no water cannons. Do you seriously believe China isn't capable of making them ? The real reason is they have no need for such things according to their philosophy.
So what is "Ah Q 精神", I am not familiar ? I have more of a "Chinese 精神".
"落后就要挨打" is a bitter lesson that China learned in the past century.
"Ah Q 精神" is written using sarcasm to remind Chinese that the old way is not fit for the current world order. We need to change.
May Fourth movement is one of that change that was grew out of the lesson.
China today do not trust the world order given past and current history, they would most certainly march on.
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