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  1. PiSigma
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    The liberals only bought TMX because they wouldn't defend it in the first place.

    We tried this whole "social license" BS when NDP got elected in 2015 in Alberta, and it just screwed us further.

    80% of GHG emissions comes out of burning oil, which means the car, and ship and plane. And Alberta's oil production is actually less GHG intensive than most places on the planet. So using climate change as an excuse to limit Canadian oil while importing Saudi oil (more GHG intensive due to extra shipping) is hypocritical.

    The BC folks that are opposed to TMX for some reason want more ferries... That burns oil. And want to reduce 14 ships a week due to TMX to protect whales... And add an order of magnitude more ferries.. because whales only hit oil tankers.
     
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    Why would the Liberals buy the pipeline if they don't want to build it? That makes no sense. They could have just nixed it and gotten a better result at the election.

    Aren't we importing Saudi oil because we can't refine the crude ourselves? If we could use the oil ourselves, why bother with a pipeline to the coast?
     
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    We are importing oil from Saudi because there is no west to east oil pipeline in Canada. Energy east was suppose to be able to send oil from Alberta and Saskatchewan to refineries in Sarnia, Montreal and new Brunswick. Even with energy east, we would be an energy exporter. Instead, refineries in Montreal and saint john needs to buy heavy Saudi crude because the only way to get Canadian oil there is to load it on a ship at Vancouver and go through the Panama canal. The refineries in Canada including saint john is capable of refining Canadian oil.

    Heavy crude from Alberta often charges a premium in North American refineries for what they are worth because it allows u to make naphtha( gasoline), distillates (diesel and kerosene - jet fuel) and gas oils. Whereas the light oil from shale in Texas is only good for gasoline.

    Liberals bought TMX with government money, not their personal money. It didn't need to be bought, only reason is the risk got too high due to the constant litigations and moving goal posts. The existing one operated for 65 years without problems.

    Then there is Vancouver, they want our oil to lower their gas price, but don't want a pipeline to get the oil there.....
     
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    Good to know. I'm guessing there's no West to East pipeline because of Quebec opposition? Why can't we build more refineries in Alberta?
     
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    Yep Quebec rather buy oil from Saudi, Azerbaijan and other awesome places than Canada.

    We are building another refinery in Alberta, but then still need to ship the refined products out to customers in Ontario and Quebec. So unless we build a pipe for each refined product....

    It always makes more sense to build a crude pipeline and have it refined locally. Each area's refined product requirements are different. That's why there are a ton of refining capacity in Sarnia and Montreal.
     
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    Offering business deals to Quebec is hardly interfering in Canada's internal affairs. Ontario has often sent trade delegations to China, and I believe Quebec probably does the same.

    As for Trudeau, I was pretty pissed at the way he handled the Meng affair. The whole "judicial independence" excuse was revealed to be a farce when the SNC-Lavalin scandal broke. He could have saved Canada a lot of grief had he simply ordered Meng released, or better yet prevented her arrest in the first place. I sincerely believe that's what Pierre Trudeau, or even Jean Chr├ętien, would have done. Canada does not *have* to take orders from Washington, as Chr├ętien amply demonstrated when he refused to join the invasion of Iraq.

    Obviously, Scheer and the Conservatives would have eagerly sent Meng to the US immediately.
     
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