Brother of Ling Jihua Reveals China's nuclear launch code and top secrets to US

plawolf

Lieutenant General
There is the image one wants to project to the world, and the reality. The two are very seldomly one and the same thing.

That's all I will say on the subject since this entire line of discussion is wildly off topic and more than a little nauseating given the level of presumption and arrogant superiority being displayed, especially since the issue in question (both sides of it) is far from being an accepted fact and flies in the face of the daily experiences of millions of people.
 

weig2000

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Tom Mitchell in Singapore, Leslie Hook in San Francisco, Geoff Dyer in Washington and Jamil Anderlini in Hong Kong

The Chinese government has threatened to halt judicial co-operation with the US if a federal prosecutor does not agree to return one of Beijing’s most wanted men, according to Chinese and US officials familiar with the extradition negotiations.

China’s public security ministry began pushing last year for the return of Ling Wancheng, a businessman now residing in the US. Mr Ling’s brother, Jihua, was chief of staff for former Chinese president Hu Jintao and is one of the highest-ranking officials
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in the ruling Communist party’s anti-corruption campaign.

Over recent months, Chinese police have informed their US counterparts that they would withhold future co-operation if Washington did not agree in principle to Mr Ling’s return this month, according to officials familiar with the extradition negotiations.

Liao Jinrong, head of the public security ministry’s international department, travelled to Washington earlier this month to discuss Mr Ling’s case.

Mr Ling is regarded as a
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given his brother’s senior position in the Hu administration, potentially making it more difficult for the US to hand him back to China.

The US investigation into Beijing’s allegations against Mr Ling is being led by Nirav Desai at the federal prosecutor’s office in Sacramento, California, where Mr Ling has previously resided. Mr Desai’s team travelled to the Chinese capital in January.

Chinese police have told US federal prosecutors that they suspect Mr Ling of involvement in at least three corruption cases as well as laundering as much as $1bn, according to people familiar with the discussions.

US officials, however, have not been able to find evidence that Mr Ling has handled or amassed such a large fortune. They also doubt that there are sufficient grounds for extradition in two of the cases cited by the Ministry of Public Security, but are continuing their investigation into the third allegation concerning a US-listed company.

“There have been a lot of false leaks regarding my client, Ling Wancheng — first that he was leaking [Chinese] state secrets, and now of corruption,” said Greg Smith, a Washington-based lawyer who worked in the White House Counsel’s Office during the Clinton administration.

“It also appears that there has been an organised campaign to manipulate the press in an effort to convince people that my client is a bad person,” Mr Smith added. “But I am confident the US government will act responsibly and appropriately in this situation, and respect my client’s rights if they investigate any allegations related to my client, however wild those may be.”

“We are not commenting and cannot confirm or deny any investigation,” said Lauren Horwood, a spokesperson for the US Attorney’s Office in the Eastern District of California.

China’s public security ministry declined to comment.

Chinese police began to ramp up pressure on their US counterparts ahead of and during the January visit to Beijing by Mr Desai’s team. During that trip, US federal prosecutors were allowed to interview more than a dozen Chinese witnesses in the three corruption probes that Mr Ling is allegedly connected to.

These include a Chinese investigation into Mr Ling’s investment in LeTV, an entertainment website; the case of Zhang Yujun, a former assistant chairman of China’s securities regulator who has been
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; and a Chinese probe in relation to a US-listed company. LeTV has denied being the subject of a corruption investigation or having any links with Mr Ling.

While China and the US do not have an extradition treaty that obliges the return of suspects wanted by the other, both nations can do so on a case-by-case basis. US decisions to return a suspect, however, can be delayed for years by judicial appeals.

There are an estimated 40,000 Chinese illegal immigrants in the US who the Obama administration would like to send back to China. These include about 1,500 people on an “active” list for deportation.

Before they can be returned, US immigration officials often need Chinese co-operation for everything from the issuance of new passports and other documents to clearance for charter flights.

Speaking privately, US officials say such co-operation from their Chinese counterparts has traditionally been limited. They add that Beijing has also dragged its feet on the extradition of US fugitives now living in China.

But the Chinese government’s high-profile Operation Fox Hunt and Skynet campaigns to hunt down corruption suspects who have fled abroad has given the Obama administration rare leverage. When the
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Fox Hunt and Skynet suspects, it demands that Beijing accept the deportation of a number of illegal immigrants in return.

Any decision by the US government to return Mr Ling would provide it even greater bargaining power, although he would still be able appeal to the courts for a stay of extradition. “If [the Sacramento prosecutor] decides to give him back, Washington is going to ask for the world in return,” said one person familiar with the negotiations.
 

Equation

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I see the problem; you're not versed in the US melting pot concept that's very different from China's experience. America was and is an immigrant-based society, and the melting pot concept evolved to assimilate people from different cultures and ethnicity into a functioning society. China's experience is assimilating invaders with its bulk and the attraction of its culture/civilization. Large numbers of people from all over the world still want to immigrate to the US, and hundreds of thousands become new citizens every year, but the same can't be said for China.

Here's a good description of US melting pot-

The melting pot is a metaphor for a
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society becoming more
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, the different elements "melting together" into a harmonious whole with a common culture. It is particularly used to describe the
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of
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The melting-together metaphor was in use by the 1780s.
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The exact term "melting pot" came into general usage in the United States after it was used as a metaphor describing a fusion of nationalities, cultures and ethnicities in the 1908
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.

The sticky and tricky word here is "harmonious" according to the definition. So...is the US following China's more harmonious society path than?:Do_O
 

no_name

Colonel
I see the problem; you're not versed in the US melting pot concept that's very different from China's experience. America was and is an immigrant-based society, and the melting pot concept evolved to assimilate people from different cultures and ethnicity into a functioning society. China's experience is assimilating invaders with its bulk and the attraction of its culture/civilization. Large numbers of people from all over the world still want to immigrate to the US, and hundreds of thousands become new citizens every year, but the same can't be said for China.

Here's a good description of US melting pot-



IMO melting pot US style or Assimilation Chinese style only works when you have a single majority cultural background acting as the stabilizing mortar. Also the US is very selective about the people it wants into the country to become its citizen. It does not unconditionally accept all aspiring entrants except maybe for the case of refugees, and we can see it is not too keen on accepting too many Syrian escapees of war and brutality in the current case.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
IMO melting pot US style or Assimilation Chinese style only works when you have a single majority cultural background acting as the stabilizing mortar. Also the US is very selective about the people it wants into the country to become its citizen. It does not unconditionally accept all aspiring entrants except maybe for the case of refugees, and we can see it is not too keen on accepting too many Syrian escapees of war and brutality in the current case.

Selective is a very very vague word here. What country unconditionally accepts anyone who applies? While it's true that the US probably won't grant citizenship to a brick layer from Bangladesh with zero relatives here, it has one of the more liberal immigration policies compared to many other nations on Earth.

Try getting a citizenship for Japan, Singapore, Denmark or even China.
 

Equation

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Selective is a very very vague word here. What country unconditionally accepts anyone who applies? While it's true that the US probably won't grant citizenship to a brick layer from Bangladesh with zero relatives here, it has one of the more liberal immigration policies compared to many other nations on Earth.

Try getting a citizenship for Japan, Singapore, Denmark or even China.

Perhaps, but the key meaning of the argument is the US or any country treats or sees immigrants as human beings playing a part of its societal fabric or a menace, therefore frowned upon by the majority? With the growing ultra right wing groups growing all across Europe and the numbers of Trump followers increasing here in the US, I don't see that as a haven of tolerance and acceptance of immigrants. Remember you can apply, BUT the US will only accept 1 million legal document immigrants per year. How large is that compare to other countries? I don't know. Perhaps someone could be kind enough to share that info.:)
 

Janiz

Senior Member
With the growing ultra right wing groups growing all across Europe and the numbers of Trump followers increasing here in the US, I don't see that as a haven of tolerance and acceptance of immigrants.
They aren't immigrants who come to Europe for work and better their lives but for social benefits. Well, at least most of them. And people don't like Arabs just because they're Arabs, they're different in terms of culture (both christian Europe and Muslim Arabs fought wars for centuries and that's the biggest point) and don't assimilate at all when they're in large groups. Blowing themselves up all the time which is bigger and bigger ever year doesn't help too. Asians on the other hand were and are welcomed in Europe. First generation might not be the best example but their children are 100% citizens of their respective countries.

Simply put - Arabs aren't welcomed in Europe and never were to begin with.
 

Equation

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They aren't immigrants who come to Europe for work and better their lives but for social benefits. Well, at least most of them. And people don't like Arabs just because they're Arabs, they're different in terms of culture (both christian Europe and Muslim Arabs fought wars for centuries and that's the biggest point) and don't assimilate at all when they're in large groups. Blowing themselves up all the time which is bigger and bigger ever year doesn't help too. Asians on the other hand were and are welcomed in Europe. First generation might not be the best example but their children are 100% citizens of their respective countries.

Simply put - Arabs aren't welcomed in Europe and never were to begin with.

Was this feeling in regards to Arabs happened before or after 9/11?
 

Janiz

Senior Member
More or less it was here all the time starting with history lessons in schools when they teach you how it unfoleded from middle ages up to 19th century. 9/11 might not be the correct date as people here don't feel too troubled as it happened in US (and it's very far from Europeans, the same as Asia itself) but it surely grew after the first terrorist attacks in Madrid and London. I think that it started to strike people as those are cities that everyone knows, you can go there for summer hollidays etc so it can happen right here, in whatever city you live in. I think it's more or less kind of thinking - an Arab guy who assimilates, says 'good morning', works hard is still OK, but a group of Arabs who start to behave like it's their 'home' and not as 'guests' is big no and people are starting to being aggressive towards them sometimes. It was like that from the start but now it's more and more visable as there's more of them in Europe overall. But people here were racist from the beginning and you didn't have to be born in Africa for that - few houndred of kilometers worked was enough for that for centuries I might add on the lighter note ;)
 
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