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Jeff Head

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Daily Mail and UK Express (and others) reporting that Turkey has show down a Russian Jet that crossed into their air space.

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Daily Mail said:
according to unconfirmed reports on social media.

It has been claimed by eyewitnesses that there was a large explosion in Huraytan, northern Syria, while three fighter planes were seen overhead.

Rumours of a jet being shot out of the sky come amid heightening tensions between Russian president Vladimir Putin and the West.


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, one journalist tweeted that three Turkish planes had been responding to 'mysterious' lock-ons from MIG-29 jets, which are used by Putin's forces.

It comes days after another Russian aircraft violated Turkish airspace.

If true, this is a very serious development. Turkey is a member of NATO, any attack on Turkey could result in a much more serious conflict.

Please discuss this development in the ISIS/ISIL Crisis Thread, not here. I thought it was critical enough News to post here for the General membership to see and be aware of.
 
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no_name

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Daily Mail and UK Express (and others) reporting that Turkey has show down a Russian Jet that crossed into their air space.

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If true, this is a very serious development. Turkey is a member of NATO, any attack on Turkey could result in a much more serious conflict.

Please discuss this development in the ISIS/ISIL Crisis Thread, not here. I thought it was critical enough News to post here for the General membership to see and be aware of.

Is there confirmation from the Russian side? If it was Mig-29 it could also be Syrian plane.
 

SinoSoldier

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Daily Mail and UK Express (and others) reporting that Turkey has show down a Russian Jet that crossed into their air space.

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If true, this is a very serious development. Turkey is a member of NATO, any attack on Turkey could result in a much more serious conflict.

Please discuss this development in the ISIS/ISIL Crisis Thread, not here. I thought it was critical enough News to post here for the General membership to see and be aware of.

Doesn't sound very realistic, to be frank. Russia has not deployed MiG-29s in Syria, only Su-30SMs and Su-24s; it is far too probable for Turkey to simply have mistaken a Syrian MiG for a Russian one.
 

Blackstone

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Daily Mail and UK Express (and others) reporting that Turkey has show down a Russian Jet that crossed into their air space.

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If true, this is a very serious development. Turkey is a member of NATO, any attack on Turkey could result in a much more serious conflict.

Please discuss this development in the ISIS/ISIL Crisis Thread, not here. I thought it was critical enough News to post here for the General membership to see and be aware of.
If true, things could get ugly in a hurry.
 
Tango attack in Turkey (happened around 1000 hours local time, it's ... like three hours ago):
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but a news-server here now says 30 dead :-(
and Reuters say:
Twin bombs kill at least 20 in Turkish capital Ankara
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now I saw at gazeta.ru
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the recent info: 86 people dead, but out of 186 wounded, 28 are at intensive care ...
the link contains a video, apparently taken shortly after the attack, so I quit watching after several seconds
 

Blackstone

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More Japanese spy suspects arrested in China.

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Two more Japanese nationals have been detained in China on suspicion of spying, bringing the number of Japanese held by Chinese authorities for espionage to four, news reports said on Sunday.

A Japanese woman in her 50s has been held in Shanghai since June for her alleged involvement in spying on the country, the Mainichi Shimbun daily said.

The woman, who runs a Japanese language school in Tokyo, had visited China frequently, Kyodo News said, adding that the purpose of her visits was unknown.

Separately, another Japanese national in his 60s has been detained in Beijing on similar charges, the Mainichi said.

China reported, in late September, it had arrested two Japanese citizens for suspected spying, a move likely to strain already tense ties between Asia’s two largest economies.

The detentions – the first since 2010 involving Japanese nationals on such charges – come as relations remain clouded by disputes over islands and Tokyo’s wartime history, despite close trade links.
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Blackstone

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Britain takes a page from France and Germany on profits vs. "human rights."
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LONDON (Reuters) - When British finance minister George Osborne told Chinese students his daughter studied Mandarin during a visit to Beijing in 2013, it was a clear personal bid to heal strained ties.

Fast forward two years and Osborne's revelation and his dogged pursuit of better ties have hit the mark, helping to attract billions of pounds in potential investment to Britain in what China calls a "golden time" in relations.

A visit by Chinese President Xi Jinping to London next week will be in much the same spirit, with officials keen to embrace a much friendlier relationship with Britain which, they say, trumps ties with other Western countries.

The tone of the state visit, during which Xi will dine at Buckingham Palace, will be in marked contrast to his trip last month to the United States, where pomp and ceremony failed to mask friction over cyber theft and China's moves in Asian maritime disputes.

China's ambassador to Britain, Liu Xiaoming, said Xi's visit on Oct. 19-23 marked a new milestone for the China-Britain relationship.

"The 'Golden Time' is dawning but it has not come overnight," he told the Diplomat magazine, which his aides showed to reporters at a meeting this month.

In a mark of respect, Xi will be visiting only Britain on his trip - a departure from the traditional practice of taking in several destinations during long-haul trips.

And while both sides will emphasize their warm relations, analysts caution there may be little concrete behind the words with final deals on nuclear energy projects and high-speed rail links in Britain a long way off.

"I'm sure there'll be all sorts of contracts lined up for signature ... but most of those will be statements of intent," said Rod Wye, associate fellow of the Asia Programme at independent policy institute, Chatham House.

DRAMATIC CHANGE

For Britain, success is largely measured in the change of tone since Prime Minister David Cameron angered Beijing in 2012 by meeting the Dalai Lama, whom China denounces as a dangerous separatist - a charge the Dalai Lama denies.

Osborne's visit a year later was seen as an attempt to repair bridges.

But it was his trip to China last month that secured pledges of investment and sealed the breakthrough with the Global Times, an influential Chinese tabloid, praising his "etiquette" in not raising the "human rights issue".

Osborne was criticized by human rights activists for not using a trip to the Xinjiang region to draw attention to the treatment of Muslim Uighurs. Hundreds have been killed in violence in the region, blamed by Beijing on Islamist militants.

He said, according to local media, that he had raised human rights issues as part of a "broader conversation with China", and British officials, who deal with China, say that lobbying behind the scenes achieves far more than public hectoring.

The uncritical standpoint has won fans beyond politics, with British culture and education becoming a firm favorite in China's newly emerging middle class, who often download illegally widely popular television dramas such as Sherlock.

In a speech to the International Monetary Fund this month, Osborne underlined his approach by saying Britain would lose jobs if it cut itself off from the Chinese economy, the world's second-largest.

Some commentators say his drive comes from a personal desire to know more of China, a country he traveled around when he was in his 20s. Others have suggested ties with Beijing have become his 'big idea' to help propel him to the top of the ruling Conservative Party when Cameron steps down some time before 2020.

Either way, since he returned to Britain last month, he and his colleagues in government have trumpeted the trip's successes such as its economic deals and social programs, including one close to his heart - more Mandarin tuition in British schools.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond told the annual Conservative Party conference this month that Xi's visit and another by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in November showed that "Britain is open for business with the world".

But some critics fear that Osborne is giving too much away.

Britain has offered a 2 billion pounds ($3 billion) of initial support for a new nuclear power station in southwest England, but is waiting for an investment from Beijing, and has invited bids for contracts to build a high-speed rail line.

Osborne will hope this trip will see China sign on the dotted line, but some analysts say he may have to wait.

Wye said firm deals were possible, but: "The Chinese are not just going to throw checks around for nothing."

"They are going to want certainly a good return on their investment ... both in economic terms and political terms, so they are going to drive a pretty hard bargain."
 

ABC78

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In another shameless attept by japan to cover up their crimes in WW2.

[Japan Says May Cut UNESCO Funds Over Nanjing Massacre Move

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS TOKYO — Oct 13, 2015, 2:35 AM

Japan said Tuesday that it may cut funding for UNESCO after the U.N. world heritage body included documents on a World War II-era massacre by Japanese troops on a Chinese city in its Memory of the World register, a move Tokyo criticized as biased.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga, the government's chief spokesman, told reporters that UNESCO's decision reflected only China's views on the 1937 assault on Nanjing, when Japanese troops killed tens of thousands of civilians in the city.

Chinese and Japanese estimates vary widely as to how many people died in the massacre, viewed as one of the worst atrocities of the World War II era. Estimates on the number of deaths range from 40,000 to 300,000.

"There is a big discrepancy of views between Japan and China, and the decision reflecting a unilateral view turns the issue into a political problem," Suga said. "We are considering all measures (of protest), including suspension of our funding contributions" to UNESCO.

According to the Japanese Foreign Ministry, Japan contributed 3.72 billion yen (about $31 million) to UNESCO in 2014, or 10.8 percent of its budget assessed for the U.N.

UNESCO's budget for the two-year 2014-2015 period is $653 million. Japan has also set up various trust funds to support work on world and cultural heritage efforts.

Suga said Japan would also seek reform of UNESCO, which was the first U.N. organization Japan joined after World War II, in its 1951 return to the international community.

"The decision making process lacked transparency," he said. "We were not even allowed access to the contents of the Chinese documents.

"While Japan objected to the inclusion of the documents on the Nanjing Massacre, it succeeded in having some of its own candidates for the memory list included, including details on detainees held in Siberia after World War II.

Materials submitted by China for inclusion in the Memory of the World Register in 2014 included documents about the period of the massacre, about the postwar investigation and trials of war criminals documented by the Chinese National Government's Military Tribunal in 1945-47 and 1952-56 files from China's judiciary.

UNESCO did not agree to register documents submitted by China about women forced to provide sex to Japanese Imperial Army troops during the war.]

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