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A Chinese students' club at McMaster University has been stripped of its official club status by the school's student union.

The McMaster Students Union (MSU) revoked privileges of the Chinese Students and Scholars Association (CSSA) after a call by student government representatives to decertify the club, due to its alleged links to the Chinese government.

"All students wishing to form a club agree to a specific set of rules regarding their conduct as a club. It was the determination of the SRA (Student Representative Assembly) that CSSA had violated those rules," said MSU President Joshua Marando in an emailed statement.

"I support the students in their decision and commend their work in ensuring students feel safe on campus," he said.

A speech by an activist critical of the Chinese government's treatment of Uighur Muslims was disrupted at McMaster in February. The activist, Rukiye Turdush, is herself a Uighur and previously told CBC News that students who filmed and shouted during her talk did so under the direction of the Chinese government.

The CSSA said it notified the Chinese consulate in Toronto of Turdush's talk after it occurred, according to a statement, which they authored along with four other McMaster Chinese student groups.

They also accused Turdish's talk of attacking the Chinese government and promoting "separatist activities," according to a translation of the statement.


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Activist Rukiye Turdush says she believes the Chinese government was involved in the disruption of a presentation she gave at McMaster University earlier this year. (Rukiye Turdush/Facebook)
An estimated one million Uighur Muslims are believed to have been detained in the western Xinjiang region of China. They are being held in mass internment camps and subjected to political indoctrination, as reported by several mass media outlets and human rights organizations.

Chinese official Hu Lianhe said those allegations were "completely untrue" at a UN meeting in Geneva in August 2018. A top official in Xinjiang later said the camps were set up as "vocational education" centres.

Vote to de-ratify
Simranjeet Singh, a member of the governing SRA, presented a case to decertify the CSSA's status at a Sept. 22 meeting. He said many students had come forward with concerns.

"The CSSA, which has coordinated closely with Chinese diplomatic officials, has tried to obscure their connections to the Chinese government while simultaneously surveilling and intimidating students on campus who speak out against the Chinese government," Singh said his presentation. A video of the meeting is posted on Facebook.

Singh urged SRA representatives to do "what is right" by de-ratifying the club to "protect McMaster students from possible consequences they may face for simply voicing their concerns and having beliefs that are … legitimate."


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Workers walk by the perimeter fence last year of what is officially known as a vocational skills education centre in Xinjiang, China. The centres have come under condemnation from the West. (Thomas Peter/Reuters)
Anonymous testimony submitted to the assembly from a student of Chinese ethnicity addressed the relevance of events in Xinjiang and concerns about how the CSSA responsed to Turdush's February talk.

Singh said it was written by a McMaster student whose identity was kept anonymous due to fear for their personal safety.

"By reporting a Uyghur refugee to a genocidal regime — and thus endangering any family that she may have in China — the CSSA sends a chilling message to students on campus: toe the Party line, or you will also be reported, and thus suffer the consequences," the testimony said.

Another McMaster student group had its privileges revoked in July when information arose pointing to possible connections with outside groups or people who promote "white supremacist and xenophobic attitudes and activities."

The Dominion Society, which denied such ties, was shut down due to its alleged connection to hatred and white supremacy.

"The CSSA is just as — if not more — dangerous" than the Dominion Society, Singh said.

CBC News contacted the Chinese embassy for comment but did not hear back.

Way of 'maintaining control'
China takes a keen interest in "the activities and welfare of their students overseas," said David Mulroney, a former Canadian ambassador to China and a Distinguished Fellow at the University of Toronto's Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy.

Interest on the one hand is to oversee the welfare of students in a "much more hands on way than we would in the West," he said. The other objective is to monitor students who are critical of the Chinese government, which is a way of "maintaining control."

Mulroney applauds the decision by the MSU regarding the CSSA and encourages other Canadian universities to follow suit. Such action would make it "less likely" for groups on other campuses to interfere in Canadian affairs and intimidate students who speak their mind, he said.

The alleged interference by the CSSA against Turdush's talk had the "potential to endanger" students in Canada, Mulroney said, which has no place on university campuses or in the country.

Minorities such as Uighurs and Tibetans in China can be placed in indefinite detention for openly criticizing the state government, he said.

Typical, whenever Chinese students exercise their right to supposed "free speech", they are accused of being controlled by the Chinese government and swiftly censored.

The good thing about this is that a few hundred Chinese students just personally experienced the hypocrisy of Western values.
 

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Typical, whenever Chinese students exercise their right to supposed "free speech", they are accused of being controlled by the Chinese government and swiftly censored.

The good thing about this is that a few hundred Chinese students just personally experienced the hypocrisy of Western values.
It's really funny that they think a government would bother to do something like that and it reveals a deep-seated inability of the West to understand the Chinese even through all these decades of interaction. I don't mind that at all because in addition to showing the mental backwardness of these people, the less your enemy understands you, the less he can properly calculate you. Simply put, they are literally so stupid that they think Chinese people wouldn't be patriotic unless paid/threatened or at least directed by the CCP. It will be poetic justice if their undoing resulted from a critical miscalculation that the Chinese people will turn on and overthrow their own government and then everything backfires on them when all the Chinese people rally behind the CCP instead.
 

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Typical, whenever Chinese students exercise their right to supposed "free speech", they are accused of being controlled by the Chinese government and swiftly censored.

The good thing about this is that a few hundred Chinese students just personally experienced the hypocrisy of Western values.

Nothing surprises me in their "free world"!
 

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It's really funny that they think a government would bother to do something like that and it reveals a deep-seated inability of the West to understand the Chinese even through all these decades of interaction. I don't mind that at all because in addition to showing the mental backwardness of these people, the less your enemy understands you, the less he can properly calculate you. Simply put, they are literally so stupid that they think Chinese people wouldn't be patriotic unless paid/threatened or at least directed by the CCP. It will be poetic justice if their undoing resulted from a critical miscalculation that the Chinese people will turn on and overthrow their own government and then everything backfires on them when all the Chinese people rally behind the CCP instead.

Exactly! Just like in the Hong Kong tread, where a member accused everyone as commies loving 5 毛。

Somehow, they can't comprehend that when someone agrees with China, or have a different views to them. Then these people can not possibly be having independent judgement, so therefore, they must be Chinese sponsor agents or 5 毛!
 

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It's really funny that they think a government would bother to do something like that and it reveals a deep-seated inability of the West to understand the Chinese even through all these decades of interaction. I don't mind that at all because in addition to showing the mental backwardness of these people, the less your enemy understands you, the less he can properly calculate you. Simply put, they are literally so stupid that they think Chinese people wouldn't be patriotic unless paid/threatened or at least directed by the CCP. It will be poetic justice if their undoing resulted from a critical miscalculation that the Chinese people will turn on and overthrow their own government and then everything backfires on them when all the Chinese people rally behind the CCP instead.

You can thank Colonel Gordon Chang and other comrades of the Strategic Fooyou Agency for that!
 

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The retardation is real.

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Trump calls on China to join effort to tar Bidens
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•October 3, 2019

Under the threat of impeachment over his request for Ukraine to look for damaging information about Joe Biden and his son Hunter, President Trump on Thursday called on China to also investigate the former vice president.

When asked what he was seeking from Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky in the July 25 phone call at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, Trump said he wanted the country to investigate the Bidens, then added that China should do the same.

“Well, I would think if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation into the Bidens,” said Trump. “It’s a very simple answer. They should investigate the Bidens because how does a company that’s newly formed and all these companies, and by the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine. So I would say with President Zelensky, if it were me, I would recommend they start an investigation into the Bidens, because nobody has any doubt that they weren’t crooked.”

Trump’s calling on a foreign government to investigate a political opponent is currently why Democrats are investigating him for potential impeachment. When Trump was asked what he wanted Zelensky to do at a Wednesday press conference,
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Trump has been focused on the fact that Hunter Biden received a $50,000-a-month job on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma and that his father, who was vice president at the time, helped to push out a prosecutor who was investigating the firm for corruption.

Trump has also raised accusations of corruption over Hunter Biden’s partnership with a Chinese private equity fund,
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Asked if he had requested President Xi Jinping of China to help investigate the Bidens, Trump replied: “I haven’t, but it’s certainly something we can start thinking about.”
 

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WASHINGTON -- U.S. President Donald Trump lashed out Wednesday over sharp bipartisan criticism of his decision to pull back U.S. troops from northeastern Syria, saying he is focused on the "BIG PICTURE" that does not include American involvement in "stupid endless wars" in the Middle East.

"Fighting between various groups that has been going on for hundreds of years. USA should never have been in Middle East," Trump said in a series of morning tweets. "The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending!"

I'm no fan of Trump, but I agree with him on this 100%.

Some might say US' military adventures have benefited China, and it is true, but it has also destabilized the world and created a plague of terrorism that has also affected China and Chinese interests.

More importantly, if I had to pick between less misery in the world, and moderate strategic gains for China, I would pick less misery on moral principle.
 

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I'm no fan of Trump, but I agree with him on this 100%.

Some might say US' military adventures have benefited China, and it is true, but it has also destabilized the world and created a plague of terrorism that has also affected China and Chinese interests.

More importantly, if I had to pick between less misery in the world, and moderate strategic gains for China, I would pick less misery on moral principle.

Well, there is also the problem that democrats will retaliate once Trump is out of office. I think China will certainly help, but it won't directly help. China will most likely help covertly to a certain extent. China will not deal the finishing blow to Biden. Let Trump himself deal the finishing blow.
 
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