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plawolf

plawolf

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MwRYum said:
To be very honest, your suggestions could only happen in ideal world:

Until the day we can replace police officers with terminators, or iron man armor become standard issue, it's just unfair to tell officers at the line of duty to adopt the "let the suspect shoot first, then we shoot back" approach. It's one thing about unwarrented brutality and suspects giving officers the wrong signals, which in the latter case the suppects is totally begged to get shot.
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Just where in my last post did you get the impression I advocate that police wait for the suspect to shoot first?

And you ask those "fringe groups" to go through the systems? Please, the very fact that they formed into fringe groups is because they distrust, if not totally despise, the system in the first place. In short, the only outcome could only be the ugly one.
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Fringe groups need to learn to respect the system. They can learn that themselves, or they need to be taught.

Frankly, the authorities have been far too lenient with their handling of this case.

They would have avoided a lot of the bitterness of the sneaky way they mounted what is effectively an ambush or trap by point blank refusing to negotiate until the armed trespassers surrendered at least their weapons from the start.

I would have surrounded them and promised that their case would be fairly re-examined once they turned in their weapons and kept my word as I persecuted them for armed trespass.

That would have seemed harsh to many, but would have been fair, just and honourable, and infinitely better than the sneaky, untrustworthy and dishonourable reputation law enforcement have earned from the way they did handle it.

I think the fringe groups could have been taught at least a valuable lesson that armed resistance is categorically the wrong way to voice their grievances and concerns, and that they will be punished for trying it.
 
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B.I.B.

Captain
MwRYum said:
That means you've been out of the force for at least a decade and a half then? That's because it was around the turn of the century that this term first came up.
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No Not that long , to clarify I meant the first time we used the phrase to describe a fatal shooting.. The terminology may well have been made aware to certain sectors of the police. much earlier.
 
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Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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B.I.B. said:
No Not that long , to clarify I meant the first time we used the phrase to describe a fatal shooting.
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I have nothing to do with Law Enforcement, so the first time I've heard about "Police-assisted suicide" was I think last year when somebody related to Czech SWAT teams gave an interview in which he said there's (a small) group of people who decided to leave this world this way (like holding a gun and a hand-grenade and charging)
 
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B.I.B.

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Jura said:
I have nothing to do with Law Enforcement, so the first time I've heard about "Police-assisted suicide" was I think last year when somebody related to Czech SWAT teams gave an interview in which he said there's (a small) group of people who decided to leave this world this way (like holding a gun and a hand-grenade and charging)[/QUOTE



What a coincidence because I think the victim in our case was also a Czech over here on a working holiday. He rang the police and told the police he had a gun and when the police arrived he went through the motions producing a gun and was shot. A search afterwards failed to find a weapon on the victim
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Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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Dec 13, 2015
Jura said:
Naval Incident in

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Today in the morning yet unidentified Turkish fishing boat was approaching

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and changed the course only after warning shots had been fired from 600 m distance (ignored previous attempts at establishing the contact),

Acording to the Russian version I read a moment ago at:

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whatever happened, the Smetlivy came back:

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(pictures dated December 28 of last year)
 
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Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Jura said:
Dec 13, 2015

whatever happened, the Smetlivy came back:

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(pictures dated December 28 of last year)
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Interesting.

If they got close enough thet the Russians had to fire warning shots...then they were perilously close to being destroyed.

My guess is if they had ignored warning shots and they were within 600m, then soon thereafter they would have been targeted.

Good thing they turned away.
 
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