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AssassinsMace

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This is just like my earlier post about the few that get to dictate the rules also get to break them because they only know what's best. For such absolute unquestionable rights in the Jasmine Revolution, violence is an end that justifies the means. Yet when faced with the very same complaints at home all of the sudden what is absolute has a grey area. Even the James Fallow's article you can see how even though he sees the hypocrisy he still needs to be protective by pointing out the differences from what happens in other countries. Here's why it's worse when they do it. They punish people and countries for doing what they will do when push comes to shove. Has anyone they cared about died in these riots? Not one. And yet when innocent people that have died overseas by people they side with, it don't matter because the end justifies the means. Hypocrisy to the bone. James Fallows is guilty too for making excuses. And we know when someone throws out an excuse, that's the only thing that matters that makes it different. For hundreds of years people lives were drastically affected because of something as simple as the color of one's skin. What they cry is absolute everywhere else now becomes relative when it affects them personally.

Yeah I'll tell you what the difference is. There's no outside foreign government sponsoring, perpetuating, and encouraging these London riots.
 

bladerunner

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Local police in China don't carry gun, that is a fact. If you have solid evidence showing otherwise (that police shot protestors), I'm sure you would have post it already instead of resorting to pure conjectures. :roll:

This is not my preferred reference as I cant find the other site at the moment which is better in two ways. It had links to Chinese Websites as well and it was a review of all the events leading up and afterwards. While mentioning the use of guns , it also praised the Western Media in the surprisingly unbiased way that the event was reported.

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"A few weeks after the riots the Chinese government said that Chinese police killed 12 people, a rare acknowledgment that the government had a direct hand in the violence. Xinjiang governor Nur Bekri said that police shot “mobsters” after firing warning shots but did not identify the ethnicity of the victims."

So no guns huh? THere you are "right from the horses mouth".
 

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As hardship mounts in the west in the wake of the economic storm, more are forced to desperate measures to fight back against their rulers and big businesses oppressing them.

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FBI to release more info on Okla bomb scare Friday
By AP | August 12, 2011
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OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — FBI officials won't release any new information about a possible explosive that was found attached to a gas line in eastern Oklahoma until Friday.

Special Agent Clay Simmonds said officials had hoped to disclose more details on Thursday about the incident in Okfuskee County but they couldn't.

FBI and Oklahoma Highway Patrol bomb technicians were dispatched to the location after an Okfuskee County sheriff's deputy found a possible improvised explosive device with a timer attached to it on the line near Okemah on Wednesday.

The technicians safely disarmed the device and are examining its parts to determine it was active or inert.

The line is operated by Enogex — a subsidiary of Oklahoma Gas and Electric. Spokesman Brian Alford said Thursday that the company has not received any threats.
 

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This is not my preferred reference as I cant find the other site at the moment which is better in two ways. It had links to Chinese Websites as well and it was a review of all the events leading up and afterwards. While mentioning the use of guns , it also praised the Western Media in the surprisingly unbiased way that the event was reported.

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"A few weeks after the riots the Chinese government said that Chinese police killed 12 people, a rare acknowledgment that the government had a direct hand in the violence. Xinjiang governor Nur Bekri said that police shot “mobsters” after firing warning shots but did not identify the ethnicity of the victims."
This in no way proves that police shot the protestors. This only shows that PAP shot at rioters. Contrary to what Western media potrays, there is a huge difference between protestors and rioters. Your rumor that the police shot protestors and caused the violence remains unproven, while the cause of violence in the case of London riot is pretty clear.

So no guns huh? THere you are "right from the horses mouth".

Yes, NO GUNS in big and bolded letters. Local police does not carry guns, this is a fact, a fact which you are still attempting to dispute with pure conjectures.
 
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The English ruler fights back, vowing to ignore "Phony concerns about human rights".

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UK Disregards Human Rights Concerns And Authorizes Shooting Of Protestors

By Alexander Higgins, Jersey City Civil Rights Examiner

England has authorized the police to shoot protestors participating in the London rights and will disregard "phony concerns about human rights" raised by the international community.

Earlier today Alex Jones ran an article with the headline in Knee Jerk Calls For Army On London Streets To “Shoot Looters On Sight”.

It turns out that the English government has succumbed to the calls to shoot the protestors on sight.

The British Prime Minister David Cameron is quoted outright as saying he will not allow "Phony concerns about human rights" prevent to police from doing their duty, according to a report on CNN. The disregard for human rights violations come despite a strong rebuke against the British government their response to the handling of the protests.
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"It was 'all too clear we have a big problem with gangs,' he said, adding that authorities would not 'let any phony concerns about human rights" prevent police' from suppressing the insurrection.

In disregarding concerns over human rights violations, CNN reports that the Prime Minister has authorized the police to use whatever means necessary to stop the violence including giving authorization to shoot protestors on sight that are participating in the so-called "riots".

Last night a video surface on YouTube, showing police beating teenagers they found riding bicycles on the street is an example of the brutality that has now been authorized.

Ironically, it was 15 police officers beating a 16 year-old girl at a peaceful protest that started the violence in the first place.

Unbridled is police police brutality with no due process and no trial will not be tolerated and will only add fuel to the anger that is fueling the insurgency.

As the Guardian has reported, the ignored context of 333 deaths in U.K. police police custody with zero prosecutions built contributed to the public's anger leading up to the protests.

That was followed by a movement by the masses to remove the media barons and the feral elite from power.

Analysts point out that the cover up of a the brutal execution of a black man which was followed by the beating of a 16 year old girl by 15 police officers at a peaceful protest — a story that has been scrubbed by the corporate media — has lead to anarchy in the U.K. which has now spread across all of England
 

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Lol Ahmadinejad and gaddafi have a sense of humour too XD

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Libya, Iran revel in mocking Britain over riots
By Barry Neild for CNN
August 10, 2011

London (CNN) -- A country overrun by rioters. A government facing questions over policing. Its leader accused of having lost legitimacy.

Sound familiar? But this week, rather than another country swept by an Arab Spring-style democracy movement, it was Britain feeling the heat.

And turning the tables, after enduring sustained criticism from the West, it was authoritarian regimes such as Iran and Libya that delighted in mocking Britain over riots that have engulfed its major cities.

The criticism came as other nations around the world reassessed their usually peaceful views of the UK, revising official advice to Britain-bound travelers and publishing newspaper headlines and editorials likening London to troublespots such as Somalia's Mogadishu.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a favorite target of international indignation for his saber-rattling speeches and his country's treatment of activists in 2009 democracy protests, landed his punch on Wednesday as Britain reeled from its latest night of trouble.

With tongue no doubt planted firmly in cheek, Ahmadinejad apparently made an speech to reporters in which he condemned Britain's police for brutality shown against "opposition" protesters, the official IRNA news agency said.
His comments followed similar condemnation by the Libyan regime of Moammar Gadhafi, which called for UK Prime Minister David Cameron to step down. With barely-concealed relish, saying he had "lost all legitimacy" because of the riots shaking Britain.
"Cameron and his government must leave after the popular uprising against them and the violent repression of peaceful demonstrations by police," Gadhafi's Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaaim said, according to a report by the AFP news agency.

"These demonstrations show that the British people reject this government which is trying to impose itself through force," he said, urging the U.N. Security Council "not stay with its arms crossed in the face of the flagrant violation of the rights of the British people."
It wasn't just Britain's erstwhile adversaries reassessing their views in light of the rioting, looting and arson attacks that have spread from the capital to other major cities. Many close allies were advising their citizens to rethink travel plans.

A warning from the United States State Department stopped short of instructing Americans to avoid the UK, but did urge them to leave affected cities and to "not challenge debate or make unwise comments" to reduce risk of violent attack.

Austria, Denmark, Finland, France Germany, Latvia and Sweden, also urged its citizens to be cautious -- as did Malaysia, which was stunned by a widely aired video that showed a Malaysian student, bleeding from an earlier attack, helped to his feet by people who then stole the contents of his backpack.

International media also took a dim view. Germany's Der Spiegel magazine commented that "television images dominating screens this week could be right out of Mogadishu" rather the UK.

One Russian media outlet reportedly described even more dramatic, if somewhat fictitious scenes, claiming that the looting of London's zoo had released dangerous animals onto the street. The Rossiya 24 report, picked up by the BBC's international news monitoring service, was denied by zoo officials.

The French press pulled no punches. The Liberation newspaper said the riots were a wake-up call for Britain's unequal society, according to a round-up carried on the RFI.fr website.

And then there were the bloggers. In Egypt, still coming to terms with the people-power protests that toppled former president Hosni Mubarak, some expressed bemusement at the actions of London's looters.

"Egyptians and Tunisians took revenge for Khaled Said and Bouazizi by peacefully toppling their murdering regimes, not stealing DVD players," Cairo blogger Mosa'ab Elshamy wrote.

And among cricket fans on Twitter, there was debate over whether it was safe enough in the UK for the Indian national team -- currently playing a series of games in England -- to remain.

"Height of irony that the Indian cricket team, unable to visit Pakistan due to security concerns, is now stuck in their England hotel rooms," said one.

Another added: "#Londonriots had this happened in #india when #England was playing in #India, England team would have left India fearing security #cricket."
 

bladerunner

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This in no way proves that police shot the protestors. This only shows that PAP shot at rioters. Contrary to what Western media potrays, there is a huge difference between protestors and rioters. Your rumor that the police shot protestors and caused the violence remains unproven, while the cause of violence in the case of London riot is pretty clear.



Yes, NO GUNS in big and bolded letters. Local police does not carry guns, this is a fact, a fact which you are still attempting to dispute with pure conjectures.

I wasnt referring to local police


Tell this to the Western media. Back in 2008 in Tibet and 2009 in Xinjiang, the situation was worse than this. Innocent people were being hacked to death by mobs. Yet, the riots were referred to as peaceful protests. When the PAP were sent to stop the riots, it was police brutality. post46

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A riot is a riot. Having political agenda only makes them more guilty, and it doesn't lessen Western media's double standard. Post 53

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I should also take this opportunity to point out that your double standard and hypocripsy is pretty transparent. Arson and looting in the West are called riots, where as people getting their head hacked off in China is peaceful protest. (from your post 103).


The reason I used the word "bollocks" to describe your claims at Post 53 was because I aware that quite a few Western Media had produced a much better performance than in the past. Mr T also pointed out to you that not all Western Newspapers showed a anti Western bias as well.

Although this is not my preferred example, contrary to your continued belief, Many Western Newspapers did use the word "riot" not peaceful process to describe the unfolding events in Xinjiang as well as showing an improved standard of reporting.

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By Peter Foster in Urumqi and Malcolm Moore in Shanghai
4:00AM BST 07 Jul 2009
"The arrests came amid an enormous security operation in Urumqi, the scene of mass riots between local Uighur Muslims and Han Chinese on Sunday.
It took 20,000 police and soldiers to calm the riots, which raged through Urumqi's back streets and injured more than 1,000 people, according to Xinhua, the state news agency." ...."

Futhermore the West does not have a monopoly of cultural insensitivity as it appears elements in China can be equally as bad
" - A cartoon about Muslims and pigs in a Chinese joke book sparked mass protests in the northwestern provinces of Gansu and Qinghai. Thousands of paramilitary police stormed a mosque taken over by armed Hui Muslims in Xining, provincial capital of Qinghai, and opened fire, wounding more than 10."

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I wasnt referring to local police
Well, I was, which you try to dispute with a pure conjecture. If you don't even know what the heck you are replying to, go back and read post 141 again carefully instead of just replying for the sake of arguing. If there is a peaceful protest, it will first be dealt with by the local police (see videos of Jasmine "revolution"). The fact that the local police does not carry guns only makes the story of police shooting peaceful protestors even more fishy. A riot would be dealt with by PAP, and citing people being shot in an extremely violent riot is not a proof that the police shot protestors in the first place.

The reason I used the word "bollocks" to describe your claims at Post 53 was because I aware that quite a few Western Media had produced a much better performance than in the past. Mr T also pointed out to you that not all Western Newspapers showed a anti Western bias as well.

Although this is not my preferred example, contrary to your continued belief, Many Western Newspapers did use the word "riot" not peaceful process to describe the unfolding events in Xinjiang as well as showing an improved standard of reporting.

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You claim that they had produced "a much better performance than in the past", meaning they had reported riots as peaceful protests "in the past". Thanks for proving my point.

Not all Western media shows anti-China bias is not the same as Western media does not show anti-China bias. Citing examples of articles where the word "riot" is used does not mean no double-standard is occuring, nor can it misidrect attention away from the fact that you are trying to use examples of PAP shooting at violent rioters to support the rumor about police shot at peaceful protestors. Furthermore, balanced reporting is not all about the use of the term "riots" over "peaceful protests" either. This
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sums it up.

Yes, and I would agree that the Western media has put up a much better performance with regards to Xinjiang riots -- biased reporting is far more subtle.

Futhermore the West does not have a monopoly of cultural insensitivity as it appears elements in China can be equally as bad
" - A cartoon about Muslims and pigs in a Chinese joke book sparked mass protests in the northwestern provinces of Gansu and Qinghai. Thousands of paramilitary police stormed a mosque taken over by armed Hui Muslims in Xining, provincial capital of Qinghai, and opened fire, wounding more than 10."

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This is Fallacy of Tu quoque. It doesn't excuse the same practice in the West.
 
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Why Rioters Won't Be Protected by BlackBerry Messaging System

Police may already be sifting through communications for incriminating messages.

* Wednesday, August 10, 2011
* By Nic Fleming

Those involved in the recent rioting and looting in Britain are unlikely to have their identities protected by the BlackBerry Messenger service (BBM), contrary to reports that such data is "untraceable."

While BBM does provide greater privacy than public social-media sites like Twitter and Facebook, British police are still likely to be able to use it to track down those coordinating and participating in the disorder that has taken place over the past four nights. BlackBerry's Canadian manufacturer, Research In Motion (RIM), has refused to answer questions, perhaps because releasing certain information about the degree to which it is cooperating with the authorities could be unlawful.

BlackBerry users can only exchange messages via BBM if they have exchanged their unique PIN codes, which they can do quickly via e-mail, social network, or scanning a QR barcode using a handset's camera. Using BBM is more like sending a text to multiple contacts than posting on a social network.

The network provider's server ceases to be involved once it determines for a user which contacts are logged on and has informed those contacts that the user is available. After that, communications occur directly between users' client software, although BBM messages are routed via RIM's servers.

Media reports have suggested that part of the rioters' and looters' attraction to BBM is its relative security compared to social media or text messaging. However, the widespread use of BBM by teenagers and young adults, including those involved in the violence, is more likely explained by its speed, convenience, and low cost. These attributes have made BlackBerry handsets popular among the age group of those involved in the trouble, accounting for 37 percent of the British teenage market, according to a report released by Ofcom, the independent regulator and competition authority, last week.

BlackBerry has resisted calls to suspend BBM, and some have speculated that the service provides users with a level of technical protection. "It's like text messaging with steroids," said Mike Butcher, a technology journalist and adviser to London mayor Boris Johnson, on the BBC's radio show Today. "You can send messages to hundreds of people, and once it's gone from your phone, it cannot be traced back to you."

In a statement, BlackBerry said it would cooperate with the authorities, but the company has refused to answer specific questions since then.

"We feel for those impacted by recent days' riots in London," said Patrick Spence, the company's managing director of global sales and regional marketing. "We have engaged with the authorities to assist in any way we can. As in all markets around the world where BlackBerry is available, we cooperate with local telecommunications operators, law enforcement, and regulatory officials."

Police can require RIM to hand over data under section 49 of the U.K.'s Regulatory of Investigatory Powers Act, allowing them to analyze the flow of messages and track down the specific BlackBerry handsets from which the inflammatory messages originated. Since individuals need a service plan to use BBM, the police can then trace users' identities via their network provider.

Cell-phone operators in Britain keep location data from handsets, as well as call and text records, for at least a year so that they can comply with RIPA requests from law enforcement agencies. Another less-well-known provision, section 54 of the same act, prevents those responding to RIPA requests from revealing that they are doing so.

So BlackBerry's refusal to answer specific questions, which has led to reports suggesting that messages cannot be traced and that techno-savvy teenagers had outwitted the police by using BBM, is more likely evidence that the company is cooperating.

While RIM has not disclosed whether its U.K. servers archive messages, most industry experts and lawyers believe that they do this to comply with RIPA, and that the police are already sifting through the data to help them identify and track down those involved in the recent violence.
 
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UK Disregards Human Rights Concerns And Authorizes Shooting Of Protestors

By Alexander Higgins, Jersey City Civil Rights Examiner

England has authorized the police to shoot protestors participating in the London rights and will disregard "phony concerns about human rights" raised by the international community.

Earlier today Alex Jones ran an article with the headline in Knee Jerk Calls For Army On London Streets To “Shoot Looters On Sight”.

It turns out that the English government has succumbed to the calls to shoot the protestors on sight.

The British Prime Minister David Cameron is quoted outright as saying he will not allow "Phony concerns about human rights" prevent to police from doing their duty, according to a report on CNN. The disregard for human rights violations come despite a strong rebuke against the British government their response to the handling of the protests.
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"It was 'all too clear we have a big problem with gangs,' he said, adding that authorities would not 'let any phony concerns about human rights" prevent police' from suppressing the insurrection.

In disregarding concerns over human rights violations, CNN reports that the Prime Minister has authorized the police to use whatever means necessary to stop the violence including giving authorization to shoot protestors on sight that are participating in the so-called "riots".

Last night a video surface on YouTube, showing police beating teenagers they found riding bicycles on the street is an example of the brutality that has now been authorized.

Ironically, it was 15 police officers beating a 16 year-old girl at a peaceful protest that started the violence in the first place.

Unbridled is police police brutality with no due process and no trial will not be tolerated and will only add fuel to the anger that is fueling the insurgency.

As the Guardian has reported, the ignored context of 333 deaths in U.K. police police custody with zero prosecutions built contributed to the public's anger leading up to the protests.

That was followed by a movement by the masses to remove the media barons and the feral elite from power.

Analysts point out that the cover up of a the brutal execution of a black man which was followed by the beating of a 16 year old girl by 15 police officers at a peaceful protest — a story that has been scrubbed by the corporate media — has lead to anarchy in the U.K. which has now spread across all of England

Doing good doing good UK, keep up the mess. The more you defy, the more you screw up, and the more we laugh. For all these years of taunting, now time for payback. Ignoring Human Rights eh? Shall the UNSC pass a resolution?LOL

It's at times like these when Alex Jones and friends are particularly fun, as they are the sprinkled spice on top of an already-nice dish. No one, not even Iran, can overdramatize something as much as Alex do. BBC is a choirboy compared to the bias and paranoia Alex Jones and friends can cook up
 
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