Best Trained Air Force Pilots

reply to jatt

sorry but the indian airforce also has not had an conflict since the 1970s. Pakistan will soon have bvr missles. Its all speculative but pakistan will remain strong in the forseeable future. Pakistan pilots training the Saudi airforce (who i think 90 percent sure they have bvr tech) and also training other gulf states will counter the Israel or even to the lesser extent iranian threat to the gulf region. :nana: pity the syrians do not ask for significant pakistani help.

Training on advance arab fighters as f 15s will be tranferable to future Paf jets. I must admit before this furom openned i thought the pakistan airforce was inferior to the indians go pakistan :china:

How are a handfull of pilots recieving joyrides in foriegn aircraft's gonna match India's who recieve 200+ hours in the front seat. Exercised with the French, Americans and in Alaska. Even ecountered AWACs and has been experiementing with BVR on their own aircraft since the 1980's?

jatt let's not get too nationalistic. we all know indian pilots are well trained. but you can't just say that pakistani pilots are poorly trained compared to indian. unless there's an air war fought between the two, we'll never know which one is better. and let's hope there's no war. try to see the other side of the coin sometimes.

jatt said:

How are a handfull of pilots recieving joyrides in foriegn aircraft's gonna match India's who recieve 200+ hours in the front seat. Exercised with the French, Americans and in Alaska. Even ecountered AWACs and has been experiementing with BVR on their own aircraft since the 1980's?

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and your saying indias aircraft are indegedous? the mig-29, su-30, mirage 2000, and harrier are all foreign. even the marut was led by kurt wolfe.

jatt said:

How are a handfull of pilots recieving joyrides in foriegn aircraft's gonna match India's who recieve 200+ hours in the front seat. Exercised with the French, Americans and in Alaska. Even ecountered AWACs and has been experiementing with BVR on their own aircraft since the 1980's?

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You asked for the last exercise with a foreign nation? Well in later 2004 PAF pilots participated in Anatolian Eagle with another 20+ Air Forces. They learned ways to counter BVR! You also said that Pakistan lacks training aircraft. Pilots go from the Mushak to the T-37 to the K-8. The T-37 is old, but the K-8 is a very reliable trainer aircraft. Egypt just bought about 60. BVR missiles will be inducted into the PAF by late 2006. And those AWACS are coming pretty soon.

jatt let's not get too nationalistic. we all know indian pilots are well trained. but you can't just say that pakistani pilots are poorly trained compared to indian. unless there's an air war fought between the two, we'll never know which one is better. and let's hope there's no war. try to see the other side of the coin sometimes.

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How so? Tha Pakistani Airforce is proffesinal just like India's but its common sense they lack the flying hours, and before 9/11 lacked serious spare for the F-16's!
You tell me how effective their anti-BVR tactics are if don't have it! All i'm saying is the InAF elite pilots have left their PAF counterparts behind. PAF with her budget could not afford the flying hours expecially when the PA takes the bulk of the defence budget!

and your saying indias aircraft are indegedous? the mig-29, su-30, mirage 2000, and harrier are all foreign. even the marut was led by kurt wolfe.

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I didn't say that. You misunderstood me.

Well in later 2004 PAF pilots participated in Anatolian Eagle with another 20+ Air Forces. They learned ways to counter BVR!

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They learn't them. Sent their best pilots and aircraft too. But tell me how that matches up to India's annual exercises with America,Singapre,France and Cope Alaska?

Pilots go from the Mushak to the T-37 to the K-8. The T-37 is old, but the K-8 is a very reliable trainer aircraft. Egypt just bought about 60. BVR missiles will be inducted into the PAF by late 2006. And those AWACS are coming pretty soon.

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No doubt the K-8 is a great trainer but this isn't anything like the MiG-ATs or Mako. So other than learning how to keep your bird in the air it doesn't simulate flying a real combat aircraft. And how does 2006 help the current PAF stature?

PAF with her budget could not afford the flying hours expecially when the PA takes the bulk of the defence budget!

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Hey, budget isn't everything. For example, China's military budget is nearly four times greater than that of India's, yet the general consensus is that Indian pilots are, for the most part, superior to their Chinese counterparts.

can u clarify what the "general consensus" is? i was under the impression that chinese and indian piltos have equally good training, at least for fighter units.

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can u clarify what the "general consensus" is? i was under the impression that chinese and indian piltos have equally good training, at least for fighter units.

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Alas, I personally beleive PLAAF pilots are better, but my own judgement is much clouded by bias and nationalism. However, if you take some time to explore this forum and various other forums of similiar nature, you will find that most of our fellow forum-goers find IAF pilots better trained.
Of course, there are not official statistics or figures to support either claim.

The PLA budget is mostly spend on R&D, paying for the massive manpower (the plaaf alone have 200 000 personal? and the PLAN 400 000 correct?) mantianing the large force of obselete equipment that hasn't been phased out. Pakistan's airforce is half the size of India's. But look at the budget and the size of armies.