Best ground force General of WW II (SD Vote)

Discussion in 'Military History' started by Miragedriver, Jun 26, 2015.

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Please choose your top three ground force generals of World War II

Poll closed Jun 27, 2016.
  1. Zhukov - Soviet Union

    12 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. Patton - United States

    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  3. Rommel - Germany

    13 vote(s)
    46.4%
  4. Montgomery - Great Britain

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
  5. Zhu De - China

    6 vote(s)
    21.4%
  6. Model - Germany

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  7. McArthur - United States

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
  8. Feder von Bock - Germany

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  9. Eisenhower - United States

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
  10. Bradley - United States

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. antiterror13
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    @Dook
    it was a brilliant story ... I didn't know you have a quite depth knowledge of history

    I gave you your first "likes"

    Welcome to the best military forum in the world (best moderated as well)
     
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    Sorry @Dook ... I took back the "like" ... you are simply too rude, even I acknowledge your knowledge in history (is that your writing or just copy and paste from somewhere?)
     
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    McArthur was a dick sure. But what he did is not unlike other supposedly "great" generals in history. Like Napoleon leaving Egypt or, much later, leaving Moscow while his troops rotted behind. He saw the writing in the wall so he left to save his own hide. In the Napoleon leaving Egypt's case troop evacuation was really hard if not impossible because the British Navy controlled the seas in that area. It was one thing to evacuate a small retinue quite another to evacuate the entire army. The situation might have been similar in McArthur's case. Still, it is quite shitty to leave your soldiers in the dark while you make a clean escape.

    I disagree with your evaluation on Eisenhower's idea to invade in Normandy. Have you ever looked at the coast of Brittany? The coast has steep cliffs and the seas have strong currents. Good luck doing an amphibious assault there. It is also further away from the British coast and was closer to the location of the German U-boat bases in France.

    With regards to the M4 Sherman there were several reasons why the gun did not have a caliber increase. The USA had its dedicated tank destroyer corps and the US Cavalry doctrine at the time was that enemy tanks were to be engaged with tank destroyers while tanks were supposed to support infantry. The US Army had vehicles like the M18 Hellcat and the M36 tank destroyer. The M36 had a 90mm gun.
     
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    Exactly. Alexander may have been the only general who had good intuition and was able to figure out the best way to get things done.

    McArthur was ordered to leave the Philippines by Roosevelt. Still, he did not use his aircraft and let them be destroyed on the ground then he left 60,000 troops to surrender.

    I have looked at the coast of Brittany. I have many pictures. There are rocks in place but there are also many beach areas. At Normandy there are cliffs but Eisenhower decided to send troops up the cliffs, which was a totally ridiculous idea that somehow worked. I actually have an entire invasion plan for Brittany that consisted of submarine launched special forces initially taking the coast of Brittany, paratroopers taking inland areas to capture country road intersections and then landing C-47's on the roads to embark troops into France. I also had LST's and other landing craft coming in. They would have been completely unopposed because the Germans did not have anything close. There were some German tanks at the south coast of France but the French Resistance had recruited a girl to sneak into the tank carriers and drain the gearbox oil out and replace it with sand so when the Germans did try to move the tanks the tank carrier gearboxes all quickly failed.



    The US had a tank destroyer doctrine so that is why the M4 did not get a bigger gun? This is correct and it was completely ridiculous. In WW2 the best thing for taking out a tank is another tank, or a Panzerfaust. But, one of the generals, I think it was General Marshall, interfered with the idea to increase the gun on the M4 because he thought if they did that then he wouldn't get the new tank he wanted.
     

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    Wow, no likes on the Sinodefenceforum. Oh no, not that! You mean now I'm going to have to pay the full amount for a McCoffee?

    Hehe...

    You were the one who first posted in my topic a very rude reply that did not address the subject. But trolling seems to be okay for veterans here.

    You guys shoot yourselves in the foot and you don't even know it. This website is dying a slow death. You guys are too busy trying to always be the smartest person in the room. You can't learn anything new that way but then you already know it all.
     
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