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"Q: Why is this necessary? Why can't we build from the experienced gained from the Collin's?

A: I'm sure the Swedes (who provided the basic design) would help for the right price."

Yet our government seems to prefer buying Japanese subs rather than developing from the Collins. I didn't mention it because I thought it would be already known here. There's a competitive process which has been setup up, but many people believe it's just a sham to give the appearance of respectability to a decision which has already been made. What I wrote above seems to be the common sense approach, but it looks like it won't be taken. Is there a good reason for this?

"As to the Australians buying Russian aircraft and equipment...seriously? I am absolutely sure that that is simply not going to happen in my life time."

I acknowledged it's not possible because of politics, but I stand by my view that we should be considering Russian planes, due to their price and better endurance. I know a former RAAF pilot who put this idea into my head. The Russians would take the money with a promise of geopolitical neutrality. Not going to happen, I know, but it should.

As for the refueling issue, if a fight our northern neighbour broke out (which we have to plan for, even though nobody sane wants it to happen), the F-35s would need to refuel both before meeting the enemy, and after. If our planes are required to bomb targets or loiter for any period of time, they'd have to refuel within striking range of enemy planes. We could get caught with our pants down. We need something which can safely refuel further South.

The old F-111 was perfect for our needs. Good endurance, and it could run fast from anything a potential enemy could through at us. It was getting too old to keep flying safely, but I feel like we are replacing a good plane with a less capable one in the areas which matter to us.
 

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... our government seems to prefer buying Japanese subs rather than developing from the Collins. I didn't mention it because I thought it would be already known here. There's a competitive process which has been setup up, but many people believe it's just a sham to give the appearance of respectability to a decision which has already been made. What I wrote above seems to be the common sense approach, but it looks like it won't be taken. Is there a good reason for this?
We re aware of it...and in depth. it has been discussed here on this Thread and the Japanese military thread at length.

You have a process there. I believe everything will get aired and vetted.

The Japanese Soryu sub is a very decent entry into that process...but there are others. We are going to have to wait and see what comes out of it.

...I acknowledged it's not possible because of politics, but I stand by my view that we should be considering Russian planes, due to their price and better endurance. I know a former RAAF pilot who put this idea into my head. The Russians would take the money with a promise of geopolitical neutrality. Not going to happen, I know, but it should.
It is not just about politics. it is about some hard realities.

Australia has to decide who to throw its lot in with...that's never an easy thing to do at the decision point...or even later when years and years have gone by.

But remember, who the F-111 came from. It was indeed a good aircraft...but it too had its own problems.

The F-35C has a longer range than the F/A-18E/Fs the US Navy itself uses. It is a very good aircraft with some amazing capabilities. The Air Force version is also very good...but with some different capabilities too.

The military planners in Australia, and the politicians whom the Australians have elected, are making decisions based on Australian interests.

These decisions are really not made in a military needs vacuum. Your own people are very involved.

The refueling of F-35s when necessary will occur in as safe an environment as possible...and the benefit of having the F-35 will ultimately manifest itself.

You have people seeing things now that not everybody gets to see...nor should they. Either you trust the people you have elected and who have been promoted to and selected for positions of trust...or you do not.

Having myself worked on several large military projects, including aircraft...I can tell you that the Australian choices of the F-35, the EA-18G, the C-17, etc. are going to work our very well for Australia...and in the long run, I will venture to say that in terms of technology, longevity, support, and ultimately overall capability...they will work out better than you could get from the Russians...with all due respect.
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Anyhow, in the end, time will tell. But I believe that the long term relationship between Australia and the United States has worked in the best interests of both nations...and that it will continue to do so.

In the end...the people of both nations have to believe that and decide upon it.
 
the press-release first:
ADF tests latest amphibious capability
The Australian Defence Force is testing its newest amphibious capability ahead of the upcoming cyclone season.

Exercise SEA RAIDER in Far North Queensland involves some 1400 troops embarked in HMAS Canberra with medium lift helicopters, landing craft and small boats, trucks, troop carriers and other vehicles.

Conducted by the Brisbane based Deployable Joint Force Headquarters, under command of Major General Stuart Smith, Exercise SEA RAIDER is supported by HMAS Stuart, Air Force assets and Commando forces as well as other Government agencies.

The ADF works closely with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade as the lead agency for Australian Government responses to overseas emergencies.

MAJGEN Smith said inter-agency exercises were designed to help the ADF and DFAT work together efficiently and cooperatively in a crisis.

“This amphibious force has been tested in scenarios that reflect tasks the Australian Government may direct in response to local and regional emergencies,” he said.

Commander of the Amphibious Task Force, Captain Jay Bannister RAN, stressed the importance of Exercise SEA RAIDER.

“We have now come to the third and most testing phase of the Sea Series – Exercise SEA RAIDER. The exercise is a rehearsal for future humanitarian assistance and disaster relief missions as well as civilian evacuations across a broad landscape with support from colleagues from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade,” CAPT Bannister said.

“I have every confidence that the team will rise to the complex challenges of the final exercise of Sea Series 15.”

The Sea Series of exercises will conclude in early October.
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FORBIN

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More about Down Under guys train with their new big toy :)

The Australian Defence Force is testing its newest amphibious capability ahead of the upcoming cyclone season.
Exercise SEA RAIDER in Far North Queensland involves some 1400 troops embarked in HMAS Canberra with medium lift helicopters, landing craft and small boats, trucks, troop carriers and other vehicles.
Conducted by the Brisbane based Deployable Joint Force Headquarters, under command of Major General Stuart Smith, Exercise SEA RAIDER is supported by HMAS Stuart, Air Force assets and Commando forces as well as other Government agencies.
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asif iqbal

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No messing around guys the Aussies are working seriously with these ships

That's what you call getting it into action, good start and they have two of these ships

Australia is doing really good with its military

Should also add that the first RAAF EA-18G Growler has been handed over

This is first export of this type outside US

Also 7th C17 Globemaster has been handed over and the 8th is due to be delivered by end of 2015

This gives RAAF 8 x C17 same number as RAF

In addition Australia also got it's first HATS EC135T2+ helicopter from Airbus total order is 15

And lastly two Ex-Qantas A330 have been handed over to Airbus defence for conversion to KC-30A tankers which are the MRTT configuration
 
I quote the sentence from
the Collins-replacement news from
DSEI: Australia’s Future Sub Program Back On Track As Industry Rivals Finalize Bids

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And two key components – the U.S.-designed AN/BYG-1 combat management system and Mk 48 heavyweight torpedo – have been agreed on.
as it seems to me it's related to what I read a moment ago:
Lockheed Martin to Open Submarine Combat System Laboratory to Support Design, Delivery and Sustainment of Australia's Submarine Force
Lockheed Martin Australia will open a submarine combat system laboratory in Mawson Lakes in November to support the company's pursuit of the Royal Australian Navy's Future Submarine project SEA 1000 Phase 1. Construction began at Mawson Lakes on July 27, 2015 and is expected to open in November. An expanded Phase 2 with a secure area is scheduled to open in the third quarter of 2016.
"A submarine's combat system is essentially the eyes, ears and sword of the boat," said Raydon Gates, chief executive, Lockheed Martin Australia & New Zealand. "A submarine's tactical effectiveness depends on a fully integrated suite of the best technologies from Australia and around the world. The ability to seamlessly integrate the best sensors, sonar, radar, navigation, imagery systems and weapons will give Australia's future submarine the tactical advantage it needs- and that is what Lockheed Martin Australia will deliver."
The laboratory includes a reconfigurable submarine command centre to test and validate the Royal Australian Navy's concept of operations in a simulated operational environment. The laboratory will feature advanced computer processing with reconfigurable hardware, and collaboration space dedicated to bringing known and proven technologies to the next generation of Australian submarines.
Establishing a submarine combat system laboratory in parallel with early stages of submarine design leverages a key lesson learned from the success of the U.S. Navy's Virginia class submarine program. "The philosophy we've adapted as the U.S. Navy's submarine combat system integrator is one of an open business model based on the premise that no one company has all the answers," says Raydon Gates. The laboratory will leverage Lockheed Martin's presence and Australian industry cooperation.
"The laboratory is all about risk reduction. It gives us the flexibility to work with the SEA 1000 hull designers and combat subsystem providers in every step of the process," said Gates. "It's a proven methodology that also reduces development costs and ensures continued interoperability with an affordable, disciplined plan for sustainment."
Lockheed Martin will collaborate with Saab Australia and Thales Australia & New Zealand in the submarine combat system architecture laboratory initiative. Collectively, Lockheed Martin, Saab and Thales have a very strong record and well-respected maritime domain knowledge and expertise.
Adam Waldie, Underwater Systems Business Development Manager, Thales Australia said "Thales has built world leading Submarine and Anti Submarine Sonar capability tailored for Australian requirement over several decades. This includes in country design, manufacture, integration and sustainment. Thales also remains focused on supporting Australia's submarine combat system integrators and providers alike with our skills and expertise through initiatives such as the laboratory."
Saab Australia managing director Dean Rosenfield highlighted the tremendous potential of the collaboration to build the submarine combat system laboratory. "We have a highly talented engineering team and their work in naval combat systems and system integration is well regarded," he said. We are proud to bring our expertise to the laboratory initiative that will ultimately benefit Australia's future submarine program.
The laboratory capitalises on Lockheed Martin's heritage of more than 40 years of demonstrated submarine combat systems integration methodology on submarines for seven nations. Lockheed Martin is a full life cycle combat system integrator with expertise in all phases of design, test, integration, certification, delivery and sustainment.
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I mean
  1. all the bidders will have to use AN/BYG-1 (and Mark 48 torp)?
  2. how does Lockheed Martin fit in (the second source)?
be sure to tell me if I'm mixing things up :)
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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So it's started?? Aussies going down under with amphibious operations !!

Now Egypt and Austrailia can work together on this unit both have a very powerful amphibious lift group
The Australians I think are more established in amphibious landing options and have a more concrete grasp of its needs and mission needs. Although they can still grow in the arena. By contrast the Egyptians I think are more starting from scratch.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I quote the sentence from


again: as it seems to me it's related to what I read a moment ago:
Lockheed Martin to Open Submarine Combat System Laboratory to Support Design, Delivery and Sustainment of Australia's Submarine Force

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but I'm not sure:
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I mean
  1. all the bidders will have to use AN/BYG-1 (and Mark 48 torp)?
  2. how does Lockheed Martin fit in (the second source)?
be sure to tell me if I'm mixing things up :)
The Australian Navy already uses the MK48 torpedo in its submarines. By specifying that torpedo and the AN/BYN-1 the Australian ministry of Defense is setting speciation's around which the ships weapons and target acquisition systems will be tailored. It's the Ausies saying that they want to retain their existing Torpedo and not have to buy some new type that will complicate there logistics. It also sets as far as the MK48 a number of necessary equipment. Torpedo tubes, torpedo racks, the wire interfaces and spools for guidance. The AN/BYG 1 also sets the standard for the sonar and other Tactical systems.

As to Lockheed Martin they are looking to be a systems integrator basically to assemble install and wire all the subsystems and more into the sub. As well as the care and upkeep of said systems. Then via there "Simulator" train the new crews in the operation of the new sub.
 
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