Australian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    RAN has transformed in the last few years

    they are conducting operations from deep Pacific to Indian ocean and also South China Sea
     
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    Sound article. I take issue with the notion that Australia would ever join the US in engaging China. Such conflicts will be nuclear. And if Australia is actively attacking Chinese targets with the US, they must be prepared to face retaliation, conventional and nuclear.

    The more realistic expectations will be Australia providing basing/staging area for US assets but even that will never include nuclear capable weapons.
     
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    I would not even want to consider downplaying that possibility. Just saying.
     
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    Not downplaying. Just being realistic. Look at how Australia react to US pulling out of INF.
    They shot down any notion of US basing missiles on their territory.

    Australia military is a glorifying US ally. They will fight low end conflicts in ME; conduct peacetime patrols--maybe a few passage in SCS, allow US to base equipment on soil.

    But I highly doubt they will ever actively engage in conflict against China along with the US. Right now for them, they have to balance diplomacy between US and China as their economy activity with China increasingly grow.
     
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    I hope this was really worth it for Australians.

    The first attack-class submarine is still slated to enter service in 2034 or 2035. The $80 billion construction cost includes acquiring new weapons and electronic systems.

    It would have been a fraction of that and would have been ready by mid 2020's if they selected the Soryu version.
     
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    business as usual

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    Last time I looked, an Australian Frigate is embedded with the US carrier strike group based in Japan.

    So a US-China conflict automatically drags in Australia.

    This is not something that the average person in Australia actually realises.
     
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    I'm sure the Frigate has Rules of Engagement as to when a conflict starts they won't automatically jump in, but instead wait for orders from a higher Australian chain of command.

    Say for instance out of nowhere this US carrier strike group, patrolling in the Pacific, is attacked without any provocation by China. Obviously the Frigate would defend itself and the US ships in the group.

    But now let's say, this US CSG is sailing towards the Taiwan strait or some other contentions waters near China during times of high tension between China and US and the world can spot the precipitous of a conflict, I'll bet that you won't find the Frigate sailing with the CSG towards this conflict.

    Allies embed the ships with US CSGs all the time to train with the US tactically, but on a strategically level, it means nothing.

    Just because they sail ships together in times of peace doesn't means they will fight together. .
     
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