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I wonder if he even understands what he is saying, basically a nuclear powered sub and a conventional diesel powered sub has complete different energy envelopes so if you try to adopt various technology from a nuclear powered sub it would drain a diesel electric sub dry like the pump jet technology which I had questioned here and other forums coming to the same conclusion.
Pump jets are quiet when the screw is spinning at high speed but it has very little effect during low speed but requires more energy since the screw diameter would be smaller then conventional open screws. This is troublesome for a diesel electric powered sub since they are energy strapped forcing the sub to snorkel more often which completely compromise the stealth element completely defeating the reason in equipping a pump jet bell in the first place.

An article from Submarine matters addressing the issue of pump jet on the Australian design.

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Since writing of April 29, 2016, I’ve been puzzling about what is technically new to make a pump jet viable on an SSK viable.

A central problem is that there is a correlation between pump jets and large nuclear submarines. Only companies (or countries) that developed pump jets for nuclear subs were in a position to then develop them for SSKs.

Until recently the weight of steel or other metal alloys may have made a pump jet too heavy for a Barracuda (at the smaller end of the SSN scale) or the Shortfin large SSK derivative. Still further lightening may be necessary before a pump jet is viable for Shortfin.

From looking at the sources in the BACKGROUND (below) it seems that using
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alloy and/or epoxy fibre composite for a pump jet's rotor shaft, rotors, stators and the duct/shroud has many advantages including

- providing a better power to weight ratio for the sub

- not unbalancing the sub

- a fully composite duct gives off a minimum magnetic signature

- composite duct also reduces acoustic signature

- pump jets are low maintenance
- all in all, the above help make a pump jet viable for a small SSN or large SSK.

A rotor (brown) and stator (dull silver) can be seen in this
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pump jet.

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[Page 27] Although recent designs of composite propeller systems is classified, the use of modern composites manufacturing allows for continuous fibres to be aligned with major hydrodynamic and centripetal forces. …The use of composites is now is now being introduced for propeller shafts on large ships (frigates and destroyers) where they account for 2% (100-200 tons) of total ship weight.

This
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for the UK Royal Institution of Naval Architects on page 1 explains meaning of composite:

“A composite material is a material that consists of two components: the fibres and the matrix…The fibres are the part of the composite material that contributes to the strength whilst the matrix holds the fibres together.”

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on the benefits of pump jet propulsor for the Astute SSNs.

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As can be seen above several nuclear subs lack pump jets because they lacked (or lack) pump jet technology. It seems pump jets cannot be retrofitted. (SSBN diagram courtesy )
 

SamuraiBlue

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An article from Submarine matters addressing the issue of pump jet on the Australian design.

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Interesting so they are adopting new composite material replacing steel in the pump jet and possibly the propeller as well.
This also confirms my original speculation that the Short fin barracuda is a complete new design since within the article it mentions that a pump jet cannot be retrofitted to old subs due to weight distribution meaning any change in weight would need a new configuration to match.
Finally the weight reduction may reduce the problem it still does not solve the core since at the end pump jet propeller are smaller in diameter compared to conventional propellers at low speed patrol to conserve energy the pump jet would still need to rotate faster then conventional propellers to maintain the same speed resulting to more frequent assents to snorkel.
 

Brumby

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Finally the weight reduction may reduce the problem it still does not solve the core since at the end pump jet propeller are smaller in diameter compared to conventional propellers at low speed patrol to conserve energy the pump jet would still need to rotate faster then conventional propellers to maintain the same speed resulting to more frequent assents to snorkel.

I agree. Presumably we will learn more on how some of the pump jet issues will be addressed in the Australian design. It is still early days. There is already some arguments that Australia should go for nuclear power once the initial SSK's are produced. Time will tell.
 

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10 CH-47F with it and the last two D replaced, normaly 3 others planned with 13 a true Sqn for 5th Rgt/C Sqn, 2 others Sqns A, B have 12 MRH-90 each.

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Delivered in 6 months ! US Army was very friendly.

A new increase for Down Under guys :)
 
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Saab to Sustain Combat Systems Aboard Royal Australian Navy ANZAC-class Frigates
Defence and security company Saab has received an order from the Australian Government regarding sustainment of the combat system on Australia's ANZAC class frigates. The order value amounts to AUD 37 million (approximately SEK 248 million) and covers services from July 2016 until December 2017.
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Australian LHDs to be armed with latest-configuration Phalanx CIWS

Government approval has been received to install up to three Raytheon Phalanx 20 mm close-in weapon systems (CIWS) on both of the Royal Australian Navy's (RAN's) 27,500-tonne Canberra-class landing helicopter dock (LHD) vessels.

Commodore Rob Elliott, director general for Surface Combatants and Aviation within the RAN's Strategic Command, told IHS Jane's on 5 July that the number of mounts depended on final design and radar cross-section analysis. Installation, he added, was unlikely to begin before 2018 at the earliest.

This is also the anticipated date for the return from the United States of the first of the RAN's current inventory of 12 Phalanx mounts after being upgraded to the Block 1B Baseline 2 configuration.

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RAN Canberra class LHD.jpg
 
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