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Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Jura said:
after I had read Jeff's post:

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/us-military-news-reports-data-etc.t1547/page-442#post-358505

this thought occurred to me: with all OHP-class Frigates retired (soon) and most of LCSs not in service (yet), how the US Navy will be affected in the near future? (please don't consider this question to be an attack against the USN; it's not)
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Well, the removal of Perry FFGs has been going on a long time. After the Reagan buildup, once the Iron Curtain fell, the US started a long, drawn out reduction in force.

I do nt expect at this pint, when the Perrys are gong that there will be much impact at all. The impact has aleady occurred.

If you look back when the Perrys were in their heyday, and the US had the full number of Spruance and Ticos, the US Navy had:

Perry FFG - 51
Spruance DD - 31
Ticonderoga CG - 27
Virginia & California Nuclear cruisers - 6

That was a total of 115 front line major surface combatants. There were actually more combatants because there were various other DDGs (probably close to 20 of them) hanging around making the real number more like 135-140 vessels.

The US Navy realized some time ago it was facing a shortage in overall numbers of surface combatants. The LCS (particularly now that they are addressing its short comings to some extent) was meant to address that.

What will the US Navy have soon after the Perrys are all gone?

LCS - 4
Burke DDGs - 63
Ticondderoga CG - 22
Zumwalt - 1

Next year there will be eight LCS...the year after that, 12, and so forth. Ultimately the FFs will be added to the mix.

But for now, that will be 90 front line major surface combatants.

Most of the difference between where the US navy was after Reagan, and where it is now can be attributed to the reduction after the cold war ended But the US Navy is driving forward and once again growing its overall numbers of major surface combatants. Here is where it is going to be in 10-15 years, particularly once the Ticos are gone and the oldest Burkes start retiring::

LCS/FF - 54
Burke - 65
Burke III - 20
Zumwalt - 3

That will be 142 front line major surface combatants, and something like that number will probably be maintained for some time to come, starting in the late 2020s or thereabouts.

Anyhow, those are my thoughts.
 
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kroko

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I would like to know if china still builds naval ships with wooden doors and other pieces of fragile and easily flammable items. Seems to me to be a major flaw in their shipbuilding, if they still do it.
 
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kroko said:
I would like to know if china still builds naval ships with wooden doors and other pieces of fragile and easily flammable items. Seems to me to be a major flaw in their shipbuilding, if they still do it.
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I've not seen any recent naval ships with wooden doors, but some Chinese ships do have interior surfaces that appear wooden but only looks like it due to the paint. They are actually just brushed metal.

And I also think there isn't necessarily a problem with having wooden furniture, doors, or other flammable items (such as paper or fabrics) and what not inside the ship -- if your ship has received so much damage that chairs or documents are in danger of catching fire then chances are the ship is virtually gone.
A bigger issue is whether the superstructure, hull, bulkheads and what not are made of flammable materials. For instance, aluminium is less fire resistant than steel and the Royal Navy suffered from it during the falklands war.

What gives you the impression that they use wood extensively in their ship construction, or that they have used wood extensively in the recent past?
 
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youngtomous

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kroko said:
I would like to know if china still builds naval ships with wooden doors and other pieces of fragile and easily flammable items. Seems to me to be a major flaw in their shipbuilding, if they still do it.
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Where you get this news? Only two type doors use in the vessel .Fire proof door and Steel door . I am a naval architect ,every room in the vessel are divid into differenct class like A60 \A30..... So the door shouldn't use wooden door .If you get the information from the picture that actural only a thin cover . so it is a rumours.
China is the biggest Shipbuilding country ,with a basic point do you think they even don't know how to built a vessel?
 
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antiterror13

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kroko said:
I would like to know if china still builds naval ships with wooden doors and other pieces of fragile and easily flammable items. Seems to me to be a major flaw in their shipbuilding, if they still do it.
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I do believe you are hugely underestimated Chinese ship building tech and Chinese engineers. China is totally different beast than China was in 1990s. China now is the biggest shipbuilder country with big margin and have the most modern factories
Doors are very simple and low tech part, if not the lowest tech. And do you really believe they don't know the disadvantages of wooden doors?
 
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no_name

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I think Kroko is referring to things like what is shown of the door in this pic, but I think those are only surface patterns and that underneath it is actually metal.

wood.jpg
 
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