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latenlazy

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I think you're being a bit unimaginative with your outlook. The key is modularity. There can be dedicated engine ships built to push multiple airstrip/dock modules around at high speeds when long distance travel is called for. I'm not discarding the concept of the carrier, I'm merely imagining its future form.
Does modularity supersede hardening though? If you're just optimizing for air strips modularity makes a lot of sense, but optimizing a concept for combat is a multi variate equation.
 

Jeff Head

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The Mobile Offshore BAse Ddiscussion has been moved to the Ask Anything Thread.

It is OT on the PLAN Carrier Thread.

...and I might add.

The idea that carriers are somehow increasingly obsolete and outdsated flies in the face of the planning of every major naval power on earth at the moment.

The people driving the US Navy, the UK, the French, the Chinese, the Russians, the INdians, the Japanese, the Koreans, Brazil, and pretty much any major nation that can afford them continue to seek to design aircraft carriers for their power projection needs for the forseeable future.

There people are not foolish and they are not simply "caught up in the times."

They are privy to the state of technologies for the next projected 50 years and they see the aircraft carrier as the answer throughout that time frame.

The idea that they are either too vulnerable to attack, or too expensive to lose flies in the face of historical fact.

40 aircraft carriers were sunk in World War II due to enemy action...and it was clear very early in the war that they were the capitol ships, yet they continued building them and using them as the principle power projection tool throughout the war. The same is occurring today/.

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dingyibvs

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which again defeats the purpose of having a MOP in the first place. If you need multiple 'pushers' than just build a carrier that can go anywhere anytime it pleases. LOL. Like I said I don't think the concept is incorrect I'm just saying a mobile platform CANNOT replace a carrier.

Not really. When a carrier is hit by a modern supersonic missile, it's probably a mission kill for the deck, the hangars, the engines, everything. When a section of the MOP is hit, you just replace it with another piece. It can also be dynamically expanded to accommodate larger aircrafts. When threat level is lower or for humanitarian missions, which consists of 99% of carrier usage these days, many pieces can come together to form a floating fortress for efficient, massive power projection or aid delivery.
 

dingyibvs

Junior Member
Does modularity supersede hardening though? If you're just optimizing for air strips modularity makes a lot of sense, but optimizing a concept for combat is a multi variate equation.

I think it does, how much money and manpower does a say 100 meter long platform ship require? How much damage to a carrier would a modern supersonic missile do?
 

kwaigonegin

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Not really. When a carrier is hit by a modern supersonic missile, it's probably a mission kill for the deck, the hangars, the engines, everything. When a section of the MOP is hit, you just replace it with another piece. It can also be dynamically expanded to accommodate larger aircrafts. When threat level is lower or for humanitarian missions, which consists of 99% of carrier usage these days, many pieces can come together to form a floating fortress for efficient, massive power projection or aid delivery.

Which is all fine and dandy no arguments there however if you look back at your original post you mentioned the aircraft carrier is obsolete and needs to be replace by floating platforms. That's my disagreement not whether MOPs is useful or not.
 

tphuang

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not sure, i also can't get to hobby shanghai anymore. Who knows where that went.
 

Air Force Brat

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Thanks tphuang.. there are also a couple other Chinese military sites I'm no longer able to access....such as;

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