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Blitzo

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I'm sorry, I can't edit the post. As I want to change my question a bit. Hopefully somebody can help me with this.

My question is what is 3D air/surface search radar? And what is VHF search radar? Are they the same function but different feature or has different function? Is it the same function as APAR?

Seeing as this hasn't been answered, I'll give some brief and simple info.

2D radar: typically only provide information on range and azimuth of a target. Generally obsolete and not present on most modern ships and aircraft.
3D radar: provides information on altitude, in addition as well as range and azimuth. Prior to development of 3D radars, 2D radars needed to be complemented by a dedicated height finding radar to determine a target's altitude.

Air search radar: radar optimized for searching the air for targets and conducting any cuing or other missions relevant to the air.
Surface search radar: radar optimized for searching the surface for targets and conducting any cuing or other missions relevant to the surface.
Air/surface search radar: radar which can perform both air and surface search roles. Many modern radars (called multifunction radars, for naval ships) can perform multiple roles beyond only air and surface search as well, including fire control for guns, terminal missiles, midcourse guidance for missiles, among others.

VHF: very high frequency, which is a frequency/band that radars can be designed operate in. Other bands include L band, S band, X band. A single radar system is typically designed to operate only in one band. different bands have different characteristics against different kinds of targets, ranges and resolutions and thus have different uses, therefore a naval ship may have multiple sets of radars optimized for different missions.
APAR: active phased array radar, also called AESA (active electronically scanned array). APARs are a type of phased array radar, and are a fairly recent type of radar that only began equipping naval surface combatants in the early to mid 2000s, and are arguably the cutting edge of what naval surface combatants can field as their primary active sensor. Many APARs aboard naval ships are multifunction radars by virtue of their design.
[052C and 052D have the Type 346 and Type 346A APAR on their superstructures, and the systems are both thought to operate in the S band. AN/SPY-1 of Aegis cruisers and destroyers are older passive phased array radars which operate in S band as well. AN/SPY-6 which will be mounted on the Flight III Burke will be an S band APAR like Type 346/A. Type 346/A, AN/SPY-1, AN/SPY-6 are all of course multi function radars, but it is important to note that obviously there can be differing degrees of performance for radars in any category whether they are APAR type or multi function type]
 

Brainsuker

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Seeing as this hasn't been answered, I'll give some brief and simple info.

Long.....
So basically, APAR can do what the 3D air/surface search radar do?

Or theoretically the 052D destroyer Type 348 radar can do what the 054A frigate's Type 382 3D air/surface search radar's job?
 

Blitzo

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So basically, APAR can do what the 3D air/surface search radar do?

Or theoretically the 052D destroyer Type 348 radar can do what the 054A frigate's Type 382 3D air/surface search radar's job?

It's worth pointing out first, that almost all modern radars are 3D radars, and virtually all multifunction phased array radars aboard ships are capable of air and surface search as well as other functions.

So as a part of its design, Type 346/A on 052C and 052D would of course have air and surface search in 3D as part of its basic capabilities.
054A's sea eagle is a rotating phased array radar (and likely passive rather than active), but it of course is also capable of air and surface search in 3D.

Which is why I want to emphasize that virtually all modern radars are 3D radars, and it is rare for a ship to mount a 2D radar unless it has certain unique benefits.

Simplifying it massively for the purposes, you can view 3D information and air and surface search as merely "functions" of a radar, if you want.
On the other hand, an APAR is a type of radar "design", and among the many "functions" of most shipborne APARs (if not all), include 3D information as well as air and surface search.
 

Tyloe

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So the Type 730s on the first C28A delivered to Algeria doesn't have any of the electro-optics as on the original used by the PLAN. Is this a new variant?

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lcloo

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So the Type 730s on the first C28A delivered to Algeria doesn't have any of the electro-optics as on the original used by the PLAN. Is this a new variant?

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They do have it. The configuration is two multi-barrel guns with one Electro-optics tracking sensors sitting in between, right behind. This is a cut cost measure since CIWS is a very expensive piece of equipment.
 

Jeff Head

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They do have it. The configuration is two multi-barrel guns with one Electro-optics tracking sensors sitting in between, right behind. This is a cut cost measure since CIWS is a very expensive piece of equipment.
Yes, they probably figure that with this ship, there is little possibility that they would have to use both weapons at the same time, so they figure they can get away with individual control.

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GreenestGDP

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The Hangzhou Shachang Aircraft expert explained that using Additive Manufacturing method for J-15 structural frames, Shenyang have much increased J-15 structural strength, and much reduce the frame weight,
and much increase the inner available space.

J-15 can carry more fuel and weapon load compare to J-11A.
J-15 has much higher Max Take Off weight compare to J-11A

Thus, I wonder ... ...
Would it be making sense to combine both Ski Jump and Catapult,
so that the upcoming 001A carrier in Dalian can maximize
J-15 MTO weight by loading it with more weapon and fuel ??
 

cloyce

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Thus, I wonder ... ...
Would it be making sense to combine both Ski Jump and Catapult,
so that the upcoming 001A carrier in Dalian can maximize
J-15 MTO weight by loading it with more weapon and fuel ??
It depends what do you mean by "combine". If you mean putting 2 waist-cats while maintaining the ski-jump then it's feasible. But if you mean put 2 cats on the bow while maintaining the ski jump.. well I think it's not convenient.
 

GreenestGDP

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It depends what do you mean by "combine". If you mean putting 2 waist-cats while maintaining the ski-jump then it's feasible. But if you mean put 2 cats on the bow while maintaining the ski jump.. well I think it's not convenient.

What I meant was ... ...

Launching the J-15 from upcoming 001A using ** Catapult ( 1 cat per J-15 ) running along a ski jump runway similar to Liaoning Ski Jump runway.
 
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