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  1. Skywatcher
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    It looks like the American Century of Humiliation started in 2017 after all.
     
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    The U.S. China Business Council's (USCBC) annual survey:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...-unfair-but-we-dont-really-care/#3d15261e4adf
     
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    One kind of American farmer is actually benefiting from the trade war. Guess which.

     
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    No! You'll never see an "American Century of Humiliation".

    Why?

    Well, This is easy to understand. Can you find a "Roman Century of Humiliation", or a "Spanish Century of Humiliation", or a "Swedish Century of Humiliation",... in the entire human history? And why not? Just remember, Roman Empire, Spanish Empire, Swedish Empire were once as powerful as today's American Empire, but when the empire was gone, every thing fell apart. We are now witnessing the dismembering of the all mighty British Empire and watching its shrinking. Even though I am uncertain if the city of London will become an independent kingdom in the future, I am confident there will never be a "British Century of Humiliation" in human history. The same will happen to the American Empire. Empire disintegration is like a domino show. When the first tile falls, the whole empire is finished. Domino show is over.

    The same thing had happened in China, but with different ending. At the end of Qing dynasty and the beginning of Republic of China, all provinces declared independence. The reason why China can escape Western empire domino show is chiefly because of its long history of disintegration and unification over thousands of years. Or, put it simply, it is the Chinese culture that brings China revivification again and again. Can you see any of the above Western empires had such a culture?

    Now, the conclusion. If you haven't seen a Western empire that had revived after disintegration over the past two thousands years, don't expect to see a miracle. You'll never see an "American Century of Humiliation" at least in the next two thousands years, if not in the next five thousands years. Once the first tile of American domino show falls in Taiwan, or in Iran, on in Ukraine, or in Venezuela, or in the dollar, or in China's 003 aircraft carrier,... any event when it is significant enough, the US is gone and forever.
     
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    USA is joined by strong nationalism, and lack of prior history of prexisting nation. Closest was CSA. Even if they collapse as a superpower the territory integrity will stay. USA is quite different compared to Europe.
     
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    It's this simple. Businesses are about making money. Nothing else. Trump is living in a fantasy land if he thinks the world is going to buy products made in the US with expensive American labor using materials produced or obtained with expensive American labor. If they have operations in China, it's because China is where they have their largest profit margins than anywhere else. In the US they would have the smallest profit margins. They try to cover up their greed exploiting slave labor by making it out that outsourcing is about giving poor countries jobs. That's why they always use it as a threat to move to another country. Yeah and they'll make less money. The US needs their operations to be where they have the largest profit margins so they can sell to the world and have the largest customer base possible. That's not going to happen with Made in the USA. Not only will there be smaller profits because they have to pay for more expensive American labor, their customer base starts shrinking because it's too expensive which means they lose more money. That's why they're going to keep operations in China. Those products produced their will be sold to the rest of the world and not the US. Those operations will actually be supporting non-profitable US operations.

    Africa is an example of the US corporate mentality. They didn't touch it. Why? They didn't see profits. Do you see them there because they want to give poor people jobs? No. China comes in builds the infrastructure needed for economic growth. What use to be seen as luxury items only found the West, refrigerators and air conditioners, can now be bought in developing countries around the world because China can produce them cheaper than the West. And that can only happen if there was a growing economy because an infrastructure is in place and the West had nothing to do with it because they don't do those things. Now you see the US following China's path it helped build and trying to penetrate those markets. Japan just had a Japan-Africa summit. They wouldn't be there if it weren't for China laying the path. So is the reason why they didn't beat China to the punch was because they were pessimists or they couldn't afford it? Either way they couldn't do it without China. Is Vietnam going to do all that? So what are the US's prospects when everything they have is made in the USA?

    The US is the modern day Roman Empire. The coliseum was the symbol of Rome's decadence and arrogance. The TV is the US's coliseum.
     
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    Nice wet-dream.

    You look like the Europeans. You behave like the Europeans. You claim you're the righteous heirs of the European Roman Empire. Thus must go down the same road that ancient Romans had traveled two thousands yrs ago. This is the destiny God promise you.

    Some two thousands yrs later from now, tourists can only find piles and piles of rocks in the place where the Washington Memorial Tower now stands, very much like what you can see now in Rome, Italy.
     
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    The level of centralisation and language unfication is not the same. Lets say Germans. They fucked 2 world wars, got occupied 50 years, still remained in 1 piece after.
     
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    Yeah but they are still NOT an empire and perhaps won't be in the near and far future.
     
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    Culture is part of why China reunifies again and again.

    But also the fact that the North China Plain is flat land and pretty homogeneous.

    So once you have control over the North China Plain - you've got the majority of China's population, agriculture and industry.

    Then it is relatively straightforward to translate that into control over the rest of China's landmass.

    Beijing is at the Northern end
    Xi'An is at the Western end
    Then you also have Wuhan/Shanghai which control the Yangtse River Basin in the South

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