All newType-59 thread

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    It was in the news that 1st Armour division, mainly equipped with Type 59 tanks, have under gone digitalisation. And was apparently able to take on Type 99's.

    The tanks were fitted with modern fire control and C4ISTAR.

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    What do you mean by "able to take on"?
     
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    Fire on the run, digital calibration of the gun and higher hit rate of first shot enabling it to compete with 38th GA's type 99.

    1st Div armour was meant to be blue flag agressors but due to limited ability of equipement they could not perform that role to the fullest in the past.

    Being the first fully digitized armour div means it now experiments with what was once theoretical docterine on a divisional level. The changes include reaction menuvre centric docterine unlike the previously thought DA style equipement centric warfare. Note type99 isn't digitized yet which also imply 38th GA is still fighting the old fashioned way albit with new equipement.
     
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    It's a lot like putting new water into an old vase. No matter how they refit 059's fire control system, the tank structure is still from the 1950's, its steel structure and engines have experienced much stress and wearings. It's way past the time for those tanks to retire.
     
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    1) T-59s were made well into the late '80s, so some of the frames would still be quite new. With 10000+ samples manufactured, I am sure the ones left in service would be the ones in best condition.
    2) The value of a large, modernised T-59 fleet is not so much in themselves, as in the ability to keep a large pool of personnel trained in relatively modern tank operation. You can't build T-96s/99s in time or quantity to do that.
    3) Against most modern tanks, yes. Taiwan, however, ALSO fields late '50s era tanks, so does North Korea.
     
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    They could always latter retrofit the Type 59s to become heavy IFVs, which would come in handy if the CMC ever decided to invade Taiwan.

    Besides, the PLA might be waiting for the next MBT design before completely junking all the Cold War era equipment (they don't seem to be particularly thrilled by the ZTZ-96 or ZTZ-99, though those are very good tanks in their own rights)
     
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    Hmm? There's only two calibers, 100 and 105s. You mean the gun being able to ID the type of round being loaded?

    Having all those computers onboard helps with space, but the second the tank gets any type of hit, lethal or not, it's going to turn into junk.

    BTW, how standardised are China's 1st generation tanks?
     
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    More like the ballistic characteristics of the gun itself is automatically calibrated and compensated for by the ballistic computer.
     
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    Note that the article talked about a case which tanks obtain information from recon assets in real time, the time required for recon to discover targets, then pass the information to battalion HQ and then HQ allocates the targets to individual tanks, then individual tanks search, track and engage their respective targets is 30 seconds, with no verbal communication or manual operation required.
     
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    There is no reason why you cannot upgrade the maingun to 125mm, Pakistan has started do this along with a ERA upgrade package.
     
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