Aircraft from the 50s through the 90s that still serve.

Miragedriver

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My friend Kwaigonegin recommended that we begin a thread dedicated to well-built aircraft (fixed and rotary wing) that continue to fly today with just avionic and some airframe reconstruction

That's another ancient beast from the 1950s. But all these 60/70 yr old aircraft still flying today (inspite of technological leap) just proves the sound design and engineering of those days. Avionics gets updated but the basic hull is essentially the same as first rolled of the factory floor.

Back then those engineers designed everything with slide rules and pencils. No advance CAD, no hundred million line codes and certainly no computational algorithm to tell simulate any sort of testing not even a very basic electronic calculator! It was all done by hand or mechanical contraption.


In praise of the cheap and cheerful.

Imagine a military combat aircraft that first flew in 1954 and is still flying today. No, it's not the
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. This aircraft has played major roles in the air over Vietnam, the Falklands, and the Yom Kippur War. It replaced the F-4 Phantom as the jet of choice for the USN'sBlue Angels demonstration team. This aircraft even played a
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Now...
What if I told you that the first 500 examples of this aircraft cost $7.5 million each, adjusted for inflation?

The Douglas (soon to be McDonnell Douglas, then Boeing) A-4 Skyhawk was designed from the outset to be a small, light, simple, inexpensive attack aircraft that could be operated from the USN's aircraft carrier fleet. It's chief designer,
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, really knocked it out of the park. The A-4 weighed about half of the USN's desired specs. Unlike most carrier based aircraft, the A-4 doesn't need folding wings. The Skyhawk earned a reputation for being rugged, simple to maintain, and cheap to operate. It became a favorite of its pilots, earning nicknames like "Scooter" and "Heinemann's Hot-Rod". The A-4 was at one time
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, but the CF-5 Freedom Fighter was selected instead.

The A-4 Skyhawk was operated by the USMC and USN from 1956 until 1993. Besides playing a major role over Vietnam, the A-4 was used as a training platform. When the F-4's lackluster win:loss ratio against older MiGs was discovered, the A-4 was introduced a "surrogate" for the MiG-17 in the USN's TOPGUN combat school.

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More than 60 years after its first flight, the A-4 is still used in military operations. Argentina, Israel, and Singapore still use list the A-4 in active service. Brazil not only still uses the A-4, but operates it from its sole aircraft carrier, the Sao Paulo. There are even a f
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, if you have the resources.

The A-4 has flown so long, that its intended replacement, the F/A-18, is now in need of replacement.

Why has the A-4 survived so long? It's not so much what is is, but what it isn't.

The A-4 is a simple attack aircraft intended to engage ground targets using bombs, rockets, or guided missiles. It carries AIM-9 Sidewinders for self defense, but lacks a sophisticated radar or fire control system. It is incapable of supersonic speeds. I can only carry half the ordinance of modern multirole aircraft like the Super Hornet. All of this decreased capability does pay off when it comes to operating costs, however. A smaller, single engine aircraft uses less fuel, and its simple design makes maintenance far easier.

The A-4 still has enough to get the job done however. While it may not have the payload capacity of a Super Hornet or F-35, it can still carry over 4 tons worth of bombs and missiles. When equipped with external tanks, its combat radius is within spitting distance of newer multirole fighters. While not capable of supersonic speeds, the A-4 comparable, if not superior to the bigger, newer fighters at subsonic speeds.

In missions over uncontested air space, like Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya, the A-4 likely would have been more than enough to handle most close air support, (CAS) and counter insurgency (COIN) duties. All at a fraction of the cost of Super Hornets, Strike Eagles, even F-16s.

So where is the spiritual successor to the A-4? A quick look at the fighter landscape these days reveals very few low-cost options. Everything out there seems to be expensive, multi-role fighters like the Super Hornet and Rafale.


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Miragedriver

Brigadier
The modernization of the SH-2G Super Seasprite of the Peruvian Naval Aviation begins

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(defensa.com) A Committee of the Navy of Peru supervises facilities General Dynamics Canada (in Ottawa) the final design, implementation and acceptance testing of the first of four helicopters Kaman SH-2G (P2) Super Seasprite it acquired in 2014. This aircraft, registration NZ-3604, is from the May 19 at the headquarters of Kaman Aerospace (Bloomflied, Connecticut), who will be in charge of the overhaul and modernization of their systems.

As we have been able to confirm, it would be delivered before the end of the year and the remaining would in 2016.

A fifth aircraft (registration number NZ-3605), called SH-2G (P1) and will not be subject to either overhaul or modernization process must arrive directly from New Zealand to Peru in mid-October to start Crew Training program Naval Air Squadron No. 21.

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The Navy of Peru acquired in October 2014, through the Canadian Commercial Corporation (DIRCOMAT Contract No. 371-2014), 5 Helicopters Kaman SH-2G (NZ) Super Seasprite by investing $ 117.3 million. This acquisition was approved on November 23, 2013, to be issued Supreme Decree No. 013, signed by President Ollanta Humala, declaring the national interest of the hiring process - with SNIP No. 251575 code - for " "Recovery of the operational capabilities of surface light helicopters in the Callao Naval Base" and he authorized the Ministry of Defence to issue the necessary acts to formalize the contract.

The Kaman SH-2G (NZ)
The Kaman SH-2G (NZ) Super Seasprite are submarine (ASW) and attack helicopters having a length of 15.9 m, height 4.5 m. and a rotor diameter of 13.4 m. They are powered by two motors General Electric T700-GE-401 / 401C of 1,723 HP that give them a top speed of 256 km / h. Cruise and 220 km / h. The maximum takeoff weight is 6,120 kg. and payload of about 1,990 kg. Its range is 890 nautical miles and a service ceiling of 3,000 m.

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They have, among others, of "glass cockpit" with multifunction displays, radar Telephonics APS-143 (V) 3 Ocean Eye 220 mn range, FLIR Systems StarSafire III (AN / AAQ-22) Warning (RWR) LR -100 Bae Protection ALE-47, as well as Trimble GPS Radios TASMAN and Rockwell-Collins VHF-UHF ARC-210. They are equipped with sonobuoys the DIFAR 16 (Directional Frequency Analysis and Recording) and DICASS (Directional Command Activated Sonobuoy System) type. ASW armament includes two MK-46 torpedoes or two Depth Charges MK-11, or two AGM-65D Maverick 25 km. range.

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Air Force Brat

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My friend Kwaigonegin recommended that we begin a thread dedicated to well-built aircraft (fixed and rotary wing) that continue to fly today with just avionic and some airframe reconstruction




In praise of the cheap and cheerful.

Imagine a military combat aircraft that first flew in 1954 and is still flying today. No, it's not the
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. This aircraft has played major roles in the air over Vietnam, the Falklands, and the Yom Kippur War. It replaced the F-4 Phantom as the jet of choice for the USN'sBlue Angels demonstration team. This aircraft even played a
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.


WMUkBWV.jpg
Now...
What if I told you that the first 500 examples of this aircraft cost $7.5 million each, adjusted for inflation?

The Douglas (soon to be McDonnell Douglas, then Boeing) A-4 Skyhawk was designed from the outset to be a small, light, simple, inexpensive attack aircraft that could be operated from the USN's aircraft carrier fleet. It's chief designer,
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, really knocked it out of the park. The A-4 weighed about half of the USN's desired specs. Unlike most carrier based aircraft, the A-4 doesn't need folding wings. The Skyhawk earned a reputation for being rugged, simple to maintain, and cheap to operate. It became a favorite of its pilots, earning nicknames like "Scooter" and "Heinemann's Hot-Rod". The A-4 was at one time
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, but the CF-5 Freedom Fighter was selected instead.

The A-4 Skyhawk was operated by the USMC and USN from 1956 until 1993. Besides playing a major role over Vietnam, the A-4 was used as a training platform. When the F-4's lackluster win:loss ratio against older MiGs was discovered, the A-4 was introduced a "surrogate" for the MiG-17 in the USN's TOPGUN combat school.

9yrS2kU.jpg

More than 60 years after its first flight, the A-4 is still used in military operations. Argentina, Israel, and Singapore still use list the A-4 in active service. Brazil not only still uses the A-4, but operates it from its sole aircraft carrier, the Sao Paulo. There are even a f
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, if you have the resources.

The A-4 has flown so long, that its intended replacement, the F/A-18, is now in need of replacement.

Why has the A-4 survived so long? It's not so much what is is, but what it isn't.

The A-4 is a simple attack aircraft intended to engage ground targets using bombs, rockets, or guided missiles. It carries AIM-9 Sidewinders for self defense, but lacks a sophisticated radar or fire control system. It is incapable of supersonic speeds. I can only carry half the ordinance of modern multirole aircraft like the Super Hornet. All of this decreased capability does pay off when it comes to operating costs, however. A smaller, single engine aircraft uses less fuel, and its simple design makes maintenance far easier.

The A-4 still has enough to get the job done however. While it may not have the payload capacity of a Super Hornet or F-35, it can still carry over 4 tons worth of bombs and missiles. When equipped with external tanks, its combat radius is within spitting distance of newer multirole fighters. While not capable of supersonic speeds, the A-4 comparable, if not superior to the bigger, newer fighters at subsonic speeds.

In missions over uncontested air space, like Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya, the A-4 likely would have been more than enough to handle most close air support, (CAS) and counter insurgency (COIN) duties. All at a fraction of the cost of Super Hornets, Strike Eagles, even F-16s.

So where is the spiritual successor to the A-4? A quick look at the fighter landscape these days reveals very few low-cost options. Everything out there seems to be expensive, multi-role fighters like the Super Hornet and Rafale.


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I actually liked the F-101, or one-oh-wonder as my Dad used to call them, also loved the 104, the 101 was/is a gorgeous airplane, we had a reserve squadron at Little Rock, though I knew no one who flew them. The A-4 was a more convention aircraft and a better flyer?
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
My friend Kwaigonegin recommended that we begin a thread dedicated to well-built aircraft (fixed and rotary wing) that continue to fly today with just avionic and some airframe reconstruction
Off the top of my head, from the 1950s and 1960s, here are some military aircraft that are still flying in military service:

B-52s still fly, first flight April 1952
Tu-95s still fly, first flight November 1952
A-4s still fly, first flight June 1954
C-130s still fly, first flight August 1954 (Thanks AFB!)
Mig-21s still fly, first flight Feb 1955
F-4s still fly, first flight May 1958
J-6 still flying, first flight December 1958
F-5s still fly, first flight July 1959
H-6s still fly, first flight mid-1959
P-3 still flying, first flight November 1959
Mig-25s still fly, first flight March 1964
Q-5s still fly, first flight, June 1965
J-7s still fly, first flight January 1966
Mig-23s still fly, first flight June 1967
Su-24s still fly, first flight July 1967

The A-7 Corsair II from 1965 was used by several countries and finally retired by Greece in 2014.
 
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Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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Off the top of my head, from the 1950s and 1960s, here are some military aircraft that are still flying in military service:

B-52s still fly, first flight April 1952
Tu-95s still fly, first flight November 1952
A-4s still fly, first flight June 1954
C-130s still fly, first flight August 1954 (Thanks AFB!)
Mig-21s still fly, first flight Feb 1955
F-4s still fly, first flight May 1958
J-6 still flying, first flight December 1958
F-5s still fly, first flight July 1959
H-6s still fly, first flight mid-1959
P-3 still flying, first flight November 1959
Mig-25s still fly, first flight March 1964
Q-5s still fly, first flight, June 1965
J-7s still fly, first flight January 1966
Mig-23s still fly, first flight June 1967
Su-24s still fly, first flight July 1967

The A-7 Corsair II from 1965 was used by several countries and finally retired by Greece in 2014.
The C-130 not only still flys, but remains in production, as the J-model, my Dad flew the very first A models from Pope AFB, and dropped lots of troops at the Drop Zone on Fort Bragg, he and his oncologist were rather certain that my Dad had flown an aircraft the oncologist had jumped from as airborne during the 50s. I'm sure my Dad would be both amazed and pleased.

I know your Dad would be very proud of the A-7s illustrious history as well.
 
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kwaigonegin

Colonel
With all these great aircrafts come great men.

A few names that comes to mind in modern aviation without whom we will never know what great combat aircrafts are....

Kelly Johnson
Mikhail Gurevich
Artem Mikoyan
David Lewis
Igor Sikorsky
Serge Dassault
Pavel Sukhoi
Willis Hawkins
Frank Paisecki
Andrei Tupolev
Ed Wells
Ben Rich
Alexander Yakovlev

There are many dozens more but these few men no doubt were one of a kind. As the saying goes.. they sure don't make em like they use to.

If you like aviation like I do, I encourage you fellas to read up on these legendary men.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
The C-130 not only still flys, but remains in production, as the J-model, my Dad flew the very first A models from Pope AFB, and dropped lots of troops at the Drop Zone on Fort Bragg, he and his oncologist were rather certain that my Dad had flown an aircraft the oncologist had jumped from as airborne during the 50s. I'm sure my Dad would be both amazed and pleased.

I know your Dad would be very proud of the A-7s illustrious history as well.
Yes! The Herc! How I could I forget?

I will add it in there!
 
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Miragedriver

Brigadier
Off the top of my head, from the 1950s and 1960s, here are some military aircraft that are still flying in military service:

B-52s still fly, first flight April 1952
Tu-95s still fly, first flight November 1952
A-4s still fly, first flight June 1954
C-130s still fly, first flight August 1954 (Thanks AFB!)
Mig-21s still fly, first flight Feb 1955
F-4s still fly, first flight May 1958
J-6 still flying, first flight December 1958
F-5s still fly, first flight July 1959
H-6s still fly, first flight mid-1959
P-3 still flying, first flight November 1959
Mig-25s still fly, first flight March 1964
Q-5s still fly, first flight, June 1965
J-7s still fly, first flight January 1966
Mig-23s still fly, first flight June 1967
Su-24s still fly, first flight July 1967

The A-7 Corsair II from 1965 was used by several countries and finally retired by Greece in 2014.

Great list Jeff! Now we need to provide a brief story about each one :)
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Tupolev Tu-95

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Introduction: 1956
Operator: Russia

Personally, the "Bear" is one of my all time favorite planes. It's a long-range turboprop nuclear bomber. Doesn't get much more cool than this aircraft.

The Tupolev Tu-95 Bear. Production started in 1952, same as the B52. It was put into service a year later than the B52. However, the B52 was produced from 1952 to 1962. The Bear was produced from 1952 to 1994. I think that counts for something.

The Russians will keep it combat ready until at least 2040...


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