Aircraft Carriers III

Jeff Head

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There is neatly placed F-35 on ski-jump of that ship . I wonder if they are really
planing to do that, or just putting on a show for the crowd .
A number of us commented on this model when its picture first came out here on SD.

The Juan Carlos LPD has the ability to embark F-35Bs.

The Spanish, who currently use Harriers, will undoubtedly buy F-35Bs at some point in the future when the begin decommissioning their Harriers...as I expect Italy to do..

The Australians are exploring the possible use of F-35Bs on their two Canberra vessels (which are of the same class).

Now Turkey is going to build a fourth LPD to this same basic design.

Will they get F-35Bs?

It may be a good possibility since Ankara is planning to buy into the F-35 in a fairly big way in any case. To date they have actually ordered two F-35As in 2014 and another four earlier this year. They plan on 100 of them.

Whether they actually do buy Bravos for their LHA is something we will just have to wait and see. There has certainly not been any official announcement to date regarding it...so the aircraft there on the model is probably just someone doing a little lobbying or wistful thinking more than anything else at this point.
 
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Plymouth University said:
After more than a year of negotiations, Turkey has signed a contract for the construction of a Landing Platform Dock/Light Aircraft Carrier. The contract was signed between the Undersecretary of Defense Industries (SSM) and the Turkish shipbuilding company Sedef.

The new vessel is going to be a version of the Landing Helicopter Dock Juan Carlos I class, with a sky jump ramp and a front lift so that the Turkish ship can accommodate and operate F-35B Lighting II aircrafts.

The selection of the Spanish design was announced on 27 December 2013, while the main contractor is the Turkish shipyard Sedef. Although the Turkish Navy initially wanted a stripped down version of the Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) Juan Carlos I class, second thoughts led to a change of plans and the new version of the LHD will be able to carry 8-10 F-35B and 12 helicopters.

The Turkish ship will be equipped with a sky jump ramp and a front lift in order to accommodate the operation of the short take-off and vertical landing aircrafts.

Furthermore the Turkish light aircraft carrier is going to be equipped with several Turkish-made subsystems that will increase the national defense industry value.

The technical specifications of the Turkish landing platform dock/light aircraft carrier according to Sedef shipyards are:

  • Length overall: 231 meters
  • Maximum beam: 32 meters
  • Draught: 6.8 meters
  • Height: 58 meters
  • Displacement: 24,660 tons (Light Aircraft Carrier) and 27,079 tons (as a LPD/LHD)
  • Maximum speed: 21.5 knots (Light Aircraft Carrier) and 29 knots (as a LPD/LHD)
  • Range: 9,000 miles @ economical speed
  • Electric propulsion with two x 11 MW Siemens eSIPOD; five MAN 16V32/40 Diesel GenSets and two bow thrusters
  • Complete hospital and sick bay.
The combat systems of the Turkish landing platform dock/light aircraft carrier are:
  • Genesis ADVEnt CMS made by Turkish company Havelsan with 20 consoles made by Turkish company Milsoft-Ayesas with amphibious and joint operations capability
  • Link 11/16/22/JRE/VMF
  • One x SMART-S Mk2 3D Search Radar
  • Two x LPI radars (Alper radar made by Turkish company Aselsan)
  • Two x Navigation radars
  • One x Air traffic and control radar
  • One x PAR radar
  • Four x 25mm STOP stabilized gun system made by Aselsan
  • Three x 12.7mm STAMP stabilized gun system made by Aselsan
  • Two Raytheon Phalanx 20mm CIWS
  • One ARES-2N R-ESM system made by Aselsan
  • Jammers made by Aselsan
  • Kalkan Chaff/IR Decoy launching system made by Aselsan
  • TORK torpedo countermeasure system made by Aselsan
  • One AselFlir-300D IRST system made by Aselsan
  • HF/VHF/UHF and satellite communication systems made by Aselsan
The Turkish landing platform dock/light aircraft carrier has:
  • 5,440m² flight deck;
  • 990m² aviation hanger and can accommodate either 12 medium size helicopters or 8 CH-47F Chinook. When the aviation hanger and the light cargo garage are unified the ship can carry up to 25 medium size helicopters. Alternatively the ship can carry 8-10 F-35B and 12 helicopters. Six more helicopters can be hosted on the flying deck of the ship;
  • 1,880m² light cargo garage for TEU containers and 27 Amphibious Armed Vehicles (AAV);
  • 1,165m² dock which can host four Landing Craft Mechanics (LCM) or two Landing Craft Air Cushion (LCAC), or two Landing Craft Personnel Vehicles (LCVP) and finally;
  • 1,410m² garage for heavy loads, which can host 29 Main Battle Tanks Amphibious Armed Vehicles and TEU containers.
Turkish Navy LHD/Light Aircraft Carrier is to be designed for four mission profiles:
  • Amphibious ship transporting a Marine Corps Force for landings and land support operations
  • Force projection ship transporting Army forces to any theatre of operations
  • Aircraft-carrier
  • Non-combatant operations: humanitarian aid, evacuation from crisis zones and hospital-ship in catastrophe areas.
The will crew consists of 261 personnel: 30 officers, 49 NCOs, 59 leading seamen and 123 ratings. The cost of the construction of the vessel is 1 billion dollars, and the ship is to be be completed by 2021.
 

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Theoretically, they could buy some F-35B to serve alongside planned A version. But what would they with them and is it worth it ? Geo-strategically , they potential opponents are Russia, Greece, Syria and Iran . In either case land-based fighters are sufficient and there is no much room to deploy aircraft carrier against those countries . They could of course create blue water expeditionary force for deployment in other parts of the world , provided that opposition is not too great . Would that warrant the cost I don't know, it is up to them to decide .
 

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Naval Today said:
The vessels of French Navy’s Battle Group returned home to Toulon naval base.

The first to arrive was the nuclear attack submarine Améthyste (S605), followed by the Navy’s aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, frigate Chevalier Paul (D621), frigate Jean de Vienne (D643) and multi-product replenishment oiler Meuse (A607) a few days later on May 19.

The Group started its deployment on January 13, 2015, and was engaged in various operations during the four months they spent at sea.

The carrier, two frigates (one a Horizon destroyer), and nuclear sub, and the AOR.

Here are those other vessesls:


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Améthyste (S605)

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Chevalier Paul (D621)

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Jean de Vienne (D643)

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Meuse (A607)
 
about the cost of the CVN 79 etc.:
Pentagon Estimates New Aircraft Carrier $370 Million Over Budget
The cost estimate of the Navy’s second Ford-class aircraft carrier has already jumped by $370 million even though Navy leaders have promised the service has learned from its mistakes that led to $2 billion in cost overruns for the USS Ford.

The Pentagon’s Cost Assessment and Program Evaluation office, or CAPE, has estimated that the USS Kennedy construction costs have increased by $370 million, according to a Bloomberg news report. The USS Kennedy, or CVN 79, is now being built by Huntington Ingalls Industries in Newport News, Va. and is slated to enter service in 2023.

Upon hearing the new estimate, Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he was upset and warned further cost overruns could put the program in jeopardy.

“Accountability must be restored to the Ford-class aircraft carrier program,” McCain said in a statement. “Our nation simply cannot afford these kinds of cost overruns amid rising global threats and fiscal challenges.”

McCain said Navy leaders had said earlier this year that the service could deliver the aircraft carrier for $150 million below the original budget meaning the “CVN 79 is now $520 million over the Navy’s estimate,” McCain said in a statement.

In the past, cost estimates by CAPE officials have been challenged by the respective services who may use a different methodology for estimating costs. However, McCain said he expects to “the Pentagon to promptly notify the Senate Armed Services Committee who is responsible for this cost overrun and what will be done to hold those individuals accountable” if the estimate is accurate.

McCain cited the billions in cost overruns for the first Ford-class carrier, the USS Ford. The USS Ford, scheduled for official delivery to the Navy next year, was widely criticized by lawmakers and analysts for cost overruns of more than $2 billion bringing the platform’s price tag up to $12.8 billion.

The Navy is testing and further developing the USS Ford to enter service while concurrently making early progress building the USS Kennedy.

Senior Navy leaders and Huntington Ingalls Industries executives have made numerous public statements that lessons from the construction of the USS Ford were being harnessed and applied to the Kennedy’s development as a way to control costs.

Navy leaders said
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would save billions in non-recurring engineering costs because the designs were completed before construction had begun.

However, following the new cost estimates, Navy officials are not commenting on the reported cost growth for the ship.

“We do not discuss pending legislation, however controlling and improving CVN 79’s cost is of highest priority to the Navy. The Navy is committed to maintaining the cost of CVN 79 within the Congressional cost cap of $11.498 billion,” Navy leaders said in a statement.

Ford-class Carriers
The Ford-class ships are engineered with slightly larger deck space than the Nimitz-class to allow for a greater sortie rate, more computer automation to reduce the need for manpower and an electromagnetic catapult to propel jets off the deck an into the sky over the ocean.

The new electromagnetic catapult system and new advanced arresting gear are designed for smoother, safer and more efficient take-offs and landings compared to the steam catapults now used on today’s Nimitz-class carriers.

Also, the Ford-class carriers are being built with three times the electrical power generating capacity compared to
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Moore said. The USS Ford will have four 26-megawatt generators bringing a total of 104 megawatts to the ship

Regarding the USS Ford, a ship which is still integrating a handful of these new technologies prior to delivery, McCain added that he did not think the design was stable enough.

“These issues with CVN-78 raise questions about whether now is the time to award this contract for CVN-79. This latest news report does not give me confidence that the Department of Defense understands the risk and cost of CVN-79, which they will be passing along to American taxpayers.”

The new issues of cost growth for the Kennedy are taking place within a broader context of criticism and concerns from lawmakers about costs for the Ford-class carriers in general.

Senate Oversight
The Senate Armed Services Committee is now proposing a series of new measures in the 2016 defense bill designed to control costs and provide oversight to the carrier program.

The new provisions direct a Comptroller General review of Ford-class carrier cost estimates and also limit some procurement funds for the Kennedy and its planned successor, the USS Enterprise.

Advance procurement funds for the USS Enterprise, or CVN-80, will be limited by $191.4 million until the Navy provides a justification of the costs and certifies that the design will repeat CVN-79.

The Senate committee also directed the Navy to complete two specific reports — one of them on cost control options for CVN-79 and anotherexploring potential future platforms designed to supplement or replace the Ford-class carrier.

Earlier this year, the
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to assess ways to lower the costs of aircraft carriers, explore alternatives to the big-deck platforms for the long-term future and increase competition among vendors.

The study, expected to last about a year, will examine technologies and acquisition strategies for the long-term future of Navy big-deck aviation in light of a fast-changing global threat environment, service officials said.

Configurations and acquisition plans for the next three Ford-class carriers, the USS Ford, USS Kennedy and USS Enterprise are not expected to change – however the study could possibly impact longer-term Navy plans for carrier designs and platforms beyond those three, Navy leaders said.

SASC lawmakers also reduced the Congressionally-mandated cost cap for CVN-79 and subsequent carriers by $100 million.

Finally, the SASC provisions direct the Secretary of the Navy and the Chief of Naval Operations to personally sign off on any new design changes to the Ford-class carriers that exceed $5 million.
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Have you heard of Crowsnest yet?
New Surveillance System Chosen for Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers
A new helicopter-borne surveillance system has been chosen to protect the Royal Navy’s future Queen Elizabeth Class carriers.

The MOD and Lockheed Martin UK, as the prime contractor for Crowsnest, have selected Thales as the chosen bidder to provide the radar and mission system at the heart of the Crowsnest capability.

The Crowsnest project will act as the Royal Navy’s eyes and ears for its next generation carriers, giving long range air, maritime and land detection, as well as the capability to track potential threats. Crowsnest will also be able to support wider fleet and land operations, replacing the Sea King helicopter’s Airborne Surveillance and Control capability that has been deployed on regular operations since 1982.

Lockheed Martin UK will now conclude the project’s £27 million assessment phase, expected in 2016, supported by Thales and AgustaWestland, the manufacturer of the Merlin helicopter onto which the system will be able to be fitted.

Once a decision has been taken to proceed into the manufacture phase, it is expected that around 300 jobs will be sustained across these companies in Crawley, Havant and Yeovil.

The upgraded Merlin Mk2 helicopters are the world’s most advanced maritime helicopter, which already provide various functions including Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) and humanitarian duties.

Crowsnest is part of the UK’s future aircraft carrier capability, which will deliver two Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers and fifth generation Lightning II fast jets to operate from them across the world.

The Thales solution is an updated, improved and repackaged role-fit version of the Cerberus tactical sensor suite currently in service on the Sea King Mk7 helicopter.

The design comprises of a single mechanically scanned radar head which uses an innovative system to provide 360o visibility from the underside of the helicopter, and which folds up to the side of the aircraft when not in operation.

You can read more about the importance of Crowsnest to our Carrier programme from Minister of State for Defence Procurement Philip Dunne here. Images of Crowsnest and Merlin MK2 helicopters are also available to download.
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Naval Today said:
The forward section of Britain’s biggest future warship is now outwardly complete after engineers successfully attached the final part of HMS Prince of Wales’ bow.

After some exact calculations to get the centre of gravity spot on, the 620-tonne block was raised by the enormous Goliath crane which dominates the north bank of the Forth and then put down on its final position on the front of the ship in the dry dock.

The upper bow has been constructed in four huge sections, all built at the Appledore yard in Devon, then shipped to Rosyth, where Prince of Wales is taking shape in the same enlarged dry dock where her older sister Queen Elizabeth was pieced together.

Lifting the second ship’s upper bow segment into place comes just days after the forward island – home, among some 100 compartments, to the carrier’s bridge – was also fixed into position on the flight deck.

She's looking very good. Moving along quite nicely.
 
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