Aircraft Carriers III

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    no problem

    Gerry how many times did you sail into the Persian Gulf?
     
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    Just once aboard Nimitz in 1991. In '81 I was aboard America (CV 66) and we stayed in the "Gulf region",Gulf of Oman & the Arabian Sea, but never entered the Persian Gulf.
     
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    There is no doubt the USN leadership had been playing games, acting dishonestly and most importantly they know it and they had been getting away with it.
    Some examples:
    (1) The sortie generation story was built on unrealistic assumptions to justify some of the new technology in the Ford class;
    (2)They over spent on the Ford program and in order to operate below Congressional oversight, they postpone some of the fixes into post delivery spending;
    (3)Some of the technical issues like EMAL and elevators were early known problems but they continue with their spin to downplay the problems.

    Unfortunately bottom line they can only cover the problem for a limited window until the whole thing explode in their face. Not to worry though, no one will be held accountable and the issues just move to the next big program.
     
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    True. And more billions will be spent on the Ford class to correct the flaws...and the USN will move on to the next episode.

    I've no idea what is wrong with the EMALS. The cats on Ford did make over 700+ launches. To me the bigger issue is the bomb elevators. A CVN is not operational if she can't get ordnance to da' roof. Also there was a problem with the powerplant.

    Aboard USS John F Kennedy (CVA 67) 1968 to 1972 we were the only carrier in the USN inventory not sent to Vietnam. Why? because of the bomb elevators. They worked..but they were NOT reliable.
     
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    The problems will be fixed - I hope. I just wish they spin less because credibility should be protected as it is a valuable commodity.

    The elevator is a significant capability improvement when it works. The Nimitz-class elevators move 10,500 pounds at 100 feet per minute. The Ford class elevators will lift 20,000 pounds of munitions at a rate of 150 feet per minute.
     
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    To me as someone that actually worked on the flight deck those faster elevators won't mean aircraft will be loaded with munitions faster. The human element is still there. Living,breathing sailors have to build & load those weapons in a safe manner. The loading process has not changed in many, many years..observe;



     
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    More Ordies..





    This process of building, moving and loading bombs cannot be changed in my opinion.
     
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    yeah I'm no expert, but I would've thought the elevators speed hadn't been limiting combat ops!

    I'm not in the MIC Conspiracy though I think ridiculously fast elevators which don't work is an example of creating over-engineered and overpriced 'solutions' to make the Pentagon pay even more;

    the companies sure have teams of spin-doctors who come up with fancy 'products' like LCS mission modules concept, so called stealthy 16k-displacing Zumwalts and other game-changers, for example recently the USN asked for like 3b for unmanned 'fleet' without having ConOps! I don't believe it's Admirals creating this type of nonsense, I think it's marketing departments and their consultants in action, selling EDITED

    Wednesday at 3:15 PM
     
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    in case you didn't know, and I knew since
    7 minutes ago
    USS Ronald Reagan meets up with JMSDF helicopter carrier in South China Sea https://navaltoday.com/2019/06/12/u...-jmsdf-helicopter-carrier-in-south-china-sea/
     
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