Aircraft Carriers III

Obi Wan Russell

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"Read why the F-111B failed for the US Navy"

As a long range Naval Interceptor, it made a very good low level Air Force Bomber.

There was still a pervasive attitude in military circles in the sixties that the age of dogfighting was over, Guns were obsolete and the targets were big slow Soviet Bombers.
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TerraN_EmpirE

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There was still a pervasive attitude in military circles in the sixties that the age of dogfighting was over, Guns were obsolete and the targets were big slow Soviet Bombers.
Overstated I think as In general Interceptors tend to trade off Guns for speed and climb.

F111 started as a USAF penitration fighter bomber it was when the Navy was kicked into it that the mission for weird. Had the Navy been in the market for a bomber F111 would have been fine but they wanted a fleet air defence interceptor.
 

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FANAL 19 photo exercise. FANAL 19 is a French exercise designed to enhance the operational capability of the French Carrier Strike Group, Charles de Gaulle while providing realistic training to both the French and participating nations while strengthening interoperability and relationships.
 

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FANAL 19 photo exercise. FANAL 19 is a French exercise designed to enhance the operational capability of the French Carrier Strike Group, Charles de Gaulle while providing realistic training to both the French and participating nations while strengthening interoperability and relationships.

So BD, the CDG is heeled over about 10-12 degrees, certainly enough sea to make flight ops entertaining??: you can see a lot of daylight under the port sponson?? so what is the "sea state" in the picture?? 4 or 5 ???
 
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19 exercises with Task Force 473 in the western Mediterranean.

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Yeah that story basically sums up the basic arguments really well.
One other argument I have heard is that basically one of the main reasons why the Navy was so dead set against the F-111 was its large size. Yet the F-14 was not smaller.

I am not surprised the Navy fighter pilots did not like it since the F-111 was basically designed as a long range platform. So agility was a least concern.
Basically as a bomber. Its interceptor capabilities were rather limited.

I did not know it was the Navy who chose it to be a side-by-side seater though. That is particularly weird and like the article said was a cause for substantial issues.
Well not as much the side-by-side seating but the capsule escape mechanism.

The F-14 airframe was much superior but it was also a later design which uses technology which likely was not available at the time.

The F-111 had many crashes in the early program it took them a long time to get the airframe in safe flyable state.

Because the Navy at that time never really wanted another LR strike bomber. I believe Robert McNamara tried to force it down the Navy;'s throat. Their requirements were different than the USAF and the Navy already had a A-5 Vigilante through at that time the midset was to get the Navy out of the carrier based nuclear strike role with the proliferation of SLBMs and ICBMs.
Anyway below is a good and accurate write of the F111.
One thing good that came out of the F111 trying for the Navy was it directly set the base for the F-14 in LR air interceptor and fleet air defence,

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So BD, the CDG is heeled over about 10-12 degrees, certainly enough sea to make flight ops entertaining??: you can see a lot of daylight under the port sponson?? so what is the "sea state" in the picture?? 4 or 5 ???

That sea state looks ok to me to operate aircraft. I don't know the different stages of a sea state. I was in aviation. I'm sure those French pilots can handle the situation.
 
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