Aircraft Carriers III

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    Hi Jeff, the last picture in your posting was the first I saw. The pictures with the A-7 are new for me, thank you.
     
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    Yes.

    They loaded some old A-7s on the carrier...mostly in the hanger...to measure how they reacted when the carrier began taking damage.

    I understand that they worked on this for over 4 weeks...which means they probably went aboard to inspect damage every so often and to get a look at what was happening in addition to th telemtry they were receiveing.

    You can bet they studied it all in great detail.

    Although a lot of people were unhpappy about the USS America being involved in a SINKEX...she served her country to the end and robably provided the best information avaialble on what to expect and prepare for in future carriers.

    some of it went into the later Nimitz carriers.

    You can bet most everything they learned was considered and included in the ford builds.
     
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    Thanks for posting Jeff. I have often wondered why there seems to be no bomb damage to the flight deck. Seems to me the USN would have hit her with a few 2000 pounders(907 KG). I think the USN was more interested in breaching the hull.

    Oh yea...Your post above is 100% correct...so I give it the popeye seal of approval!;)

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    Yeah, you're looking good for an old man that smokes BUB!, maybe I should take up the pipe?? LOL
     
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    Its only fair to say Gentlemen, that I just love you guys, you Gentlemen represent the finest of what SDF has to offer! BD, Jeff, Obiwan, and Asif, I just can't help smiling....
     
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    A pipe won't do you any harm... so long as you don't put Tobacco in it! The reason pipe smokers live longer is it's so much of a hassle to clean them out, refill them and light up (compared to cigarettes), that means pipe smokers simply can't be bothered to do it that often! My Dad smokes roll ups and the extra effort of a DIY cigarette means he only gets through about 10 a day! He's 77, still rides a 1000cc motorbike daily and still looks hungrily at every pretty girl who passes his way! He's the oldest teenager I know...

    Back on the subject of the America SINKEX, whilst it was sad for most of her former crew, she provided invaluable service to future sailors by providing vital information on battle damage resistance that could mean the difference between losing a ship and saving it. Back in WW2 the loss of HMS Ark Royal from a single torpedo hit taught the RN a lot about what not to do in the event of a major attack. Damage Control was woeful in this instance and that alone could have saved the ship if the right action had been taken early enough. When the order to evacuate was given, the damage control parties were ordered off the ship with everyone else when they should have remained at their stations, and they were later put back aboard when it was clear the ship wasn't sinking quickly for example. There were not enough diesel generators on board to provide power to the pumps, and the destroyers escorting her should have taken her in tow instead of waiting for tugs from Gibraltar. HMS Ark Royal  III sinking.jpg ark-royal3-legion-survi.jpg arkroyal3-sinking.jpg In the Pacific less than a year later the USN had already learned from this and very nearly salvaged the USS Yorktown after the Battle of Midway and would have gotten her back to Pearl if a Japanese Sub hadn't stumbled upon the scene and finished her off. USS Yorktown CV5 01.jpg 87bb7522b5d83b692fcffc9aeabea0c8.jpg
     
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    Well good for your DAD, and of course he's right, nothing in God's Creation is quite as wonderful and beautiful as a sweet attractive woman,,, God's Masterpiece of engineering! only tough guy's roll their own smokes, I'd love to be there and visit with your Pop and watch him have a smoke and and fire up that bike...

    I've been having a serious "jones" for a Norton Commando, I can find them, but they are pricey, but I'm still looking for that perfect 1973 Firebird Formula, LOL! or 69 Camaro, 66 Corvette, or, or, well any kool nice old muscle car without rust, I HATE RUST! anyway, my Dad always smoked a pipe, some of my most vivid memories of my early flying in our old 172 were of him, sitting impatiently in the right seat, firing up that pipe as he attempted to show me the finer points of aviating?? Bless His Heart, I really loved that Guy, he was indeed "Larger than Life".

    Back to the sink-ex, its amazing how much progress has been made on modern carriers,, honestly to me, its unbelievable!
     
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    What are you Jim Rockford(James Garner)! LOL! Actually he had a Firebird Esprit. That was really a Firebird Formula because it had a sporty suspension and a V8...This is a '74 pictured. I have the entire Rockford files on DVD.:D

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    I'll try to get back on topic.

    nice article here about the QE...

    Britain’s F-35B stealth fighters are set to achieve initial operating capability at the end of this year. But that is only from land bases, with nine aircraft. It will be another two years before No. 617 Squadron can fly operationally from the first of the country’s two new QEII-class aircraft carriers.

    HMS Queen Elizabeth is due to set sail from Portsmouth naval base in the fall for the eastern seaboard of the U.S. There, two American F-35Bs flown by British test pilots will embark for the first time. They will do at-sea takeoffs from the carrier’s ski-jump for the first time. They will also continue development of the shipboard rolling vertical landing technique that they have been developing, to ensure that an F-35B can return to the carrier deck with unused weapons.

    A second phase of flying trials on the QEII will follow in 2019, using the British-owned and based F-35Bs with squadron pilots.

    But it now seems that the first F-35Bs to fly operationally from the British carriers will be American. The UK has extensively relied on the U.S. Marine Corps (USMC) for working-up, with its first two squadrons being formed and operated from the F-35B base at MCAS Beaufort before transfer to the UK.

    Gen. Jon "Dog” Davis, until recently the head of USMC aviation, said last year that the QEIIs are “incredible ships.” USMC F-35Bs will take part in the QEII’s first operational deployment in 2021.

    Meanwhile, the second QEII-class carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, is afloat and being fitted out at Rosyth dockyard in Scotland. It is due to go to sea next year, after being handed over by the Aircraft Carrier Alliance that built her and her predecessor (comprising BAE Systems, Babcock, and Thales, in cooperation with the UK Ministry of Defence [MoD]).

    The huge cost of these new warships is justified by the British defense establishment in terms of their ability to deliver sovereign power projection globally. However, that has required investment in not only F-35 fighters but also expensive conversions of Merlin helicopters for the airborne electronic warfare (AEW) and commando assault role; accompanying warships and attack submarines to defend the carrier; and two new support ships.


    Follow this link for the full Monty. >>>
    UK's New Aircraft Carriers Rekindle Some Naval Pride
     
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    I really get annoyed when people refer to the new carrier/class as 'QEII' or 'QE2'. The QE2 was an Ocean liner decommissioned more than a decade ago and currently rusting in Dubai: article-2252580-00EBC938000004B0-934_634x402.jpg
    The carrier is HMS Queen Elizabeth (no numeral after her name). She is actually named for 'Good Queen Bess', Elizabeth I and for the WW1 Battleship that bore the same name. The ship's crest is a Tudor Rose, not the current Queen's crest. 32116542_999167283575202_8324409255515914240_n.jpg
    Or at least a stylised version of a Tudor Rose. Also, as the ships were built in Scotland, the current monarch is still only Queen Elizabeth the first, as the previous Elizabeth was never Queen of Scotland. The two thrones were united by her heir, King James VI of Scotland who became James I of England, the start of the UNITED KINGDOM of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, to give the country it's current and proper title.

    Just don't use QEII or QE2 for the carrier. It's just wrong.

    And I loved the Rockford Files when I was a kid!
     
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    I agree. I feel the same way when people refer to a ship like John C Stennis as simply Stennis. That's not the ships name. The only one that does not bother me is when Dwight D Eisenhower is referred to as IKE. The name IKE is just good.
     
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