Aircraft Carriers III

Jeff Head

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The main reason for the cost and schedule overruns for the project in a single photo ;)
Quite frankly, with this vessel, with as much new technology and operations as they are developing into it, you have to expect cost overruns. It is the nature of pushing the envelope like this.

Having said this, I will make a prediction right now. Over their life, because of several issues that will dramatically lower the maintenance cost over their life, that the Ford class will be cheaper in terms of their total cost of ownership over their 50 years life, than the Nimitz class.

1000 less people cost a LOT of money each year. Multiply it by 50. This factor alone is expected to save billions over the cost of each ship. . The design of the new reators is going to equate to a lot of savings in two-thirds reduction of watch standing and a significant decrease of required maintenance. On top of that,

Because of the way the ship has been designed and the modernization possible over the technology and policies used in the Nimitz...even as they were modernized over time...buy starting from scratch, the new construction, power, and maintenance developments are going to allow the Ford class to spend less than half the amount of time in the yard with DPIAs than the Nimitz class. This represents another HUGE savings which will add up to more billions.

We can go on...but the Ford class are going to end up being a "good" deal.
 
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Janiz

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Quite frankly, with this vessel, with as much new technology and operations as they are developing into it, you have to expect cost overruns. It is the nature of pushing the envelope like this.
Yes, you're post is right - this ship was designed to bring costs down and was optimalised for that in every aspect. Aside from the radar set. That was a huge mistake and the main reason why so much money is literally lost on something that had to be developed almost from the scratch but already existed and doing it's job when the carrier was still on the design fase.
 

FORBIN

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Normaly Charles de Gaule left France for mid september for operations in the Middle East normaly " Arromanches 3 " with a German FFG Type 124, announced up to 25 Rafale but with a Flotilla on fransition from Super-Etendard maybe 20.
Last time 18 Rafale, 8 Super-Etendard, 2 E-2C and 4 helos : 32 !


The aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, expected to sail in mid-September for a new operational deployment, will again be accompanied by the German frigate Augsburg. This should leave its home port of Wilhelmshaven by the end of August.

The Class frigate "Bremen" is specialized in anti-submarine warfare and can implement two Sea Lynx MK88. The Augsburg was included in the carrier battle group during the mission "Arromanches 2" from December 2015 to March 2016. A German liaison officer was also on board the aircraft carrier.

Regarding the possible involvement of foreign vessels GAN, the general staff of the armed reported not currently be able to communicate about it. During the previous deployment, in addition to the German frigate, FDA Chevalier Paul, the MDTF La Motte-Picquet and PR Marne, Charles de Gaulle was accompanied by the Belgian frigate Leopold I, and HMS Defender of Royal Navy.

Deployed between January and May 2015 (Mission "Arromanches 1") and from November 2015 to March 2016 ( "Arromanches 2"), the aircraft carrier was back to its base port of Toulon for operational by long delivery period and (re -)qualification. It should sail in the fall for one last mission before being stopped early in 2017 as part of the renovation project at mid-life.

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Jeff Head

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Waoouw the two, Su-33 and Mig-29K ! and nice weather
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I have been waiting for pics of the Mig-29Ks getting onto the Kuznetsov.

Ultimately this will be a good deal for the Russians.

They will be able to have quite a few more aircraft on the carrier...and with the capabilities of the Mig-29K, I think they will have a stronger overall air wing than purely having SU-33s aboard.

Very nice pic!
 
according to DefenseNews Held Up In the Shipyard, Carrier Bush Is Under The Gun To Deploy On Time
The USS George H. W. Bush, newest of the fleet’s operational carriers, is under the gun. The ship emerged from a shipyard in late July five months late – seven if compared to the original schedule. It's facing a planned deployment later this year that needs to be on time if the Bush is to relieve another carrier already operating on the far side of the world. With a compressed training schedule, Norfolk-based Fleet Forces Command (FFC) is wrestling with how to get the ship, its air wing and supporting strike group fully ready to deploy to a combat zone, a situation its Optimized Fleet Response Plan (OFRP) was conceived to handle.

Dealing with the Bush’s situation crosses a lot of Navy bailiwicks, including Naval Reactors and Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) in Washington – the latter also overseas Norfolk Naval Shipyard, where the Bush’s overhaul was performed – to Fleet Forces Command to the Pentagon’s joint planning offices, where the global disposition of the fleet’s carriers is decided. And out in the Persian Gulf, the crew of the carrier Dwight D. Eisenhower is hoping the Bush arrives around the first of the year, in time for Ike’s strike group to return home after seven months on deployment.

Adm. John Richardson, chief of naval operations, addressed the issue in remarks to Defense News.

"Our current plan is for no longer than seven-month deployments,” Richardson said. “That's step one: set an ideal deployment length, and everybody is now planned to execute a seven-month deployment or less.

“Step two is to execute the plan. In this regard, one of the areas that's getting a lot of attention, inside and outside of the Navy, is ship and aircraft maintenance -- getting into deep maintenance and getting out on time. That's usually the first step of the readiness cycle.”

Next, Richardson said, “is to execute your deployment training and certifications on time and at standards. Once this cycle is complete, a ship is ready to deploy. In parallel, we are working the manning, supply load, and weapons loads so that the right people are trained and on board, and so that the ship can sustain itself on station forward deployed. And that's OFRP -- the optimized plan -- in a nutshell. It sounds simple, but it's a lot of moving parts.”

OFRP is a refinement of the Fleet Response Plan, an effort that in part attempted to bring order to the often chaotic process of deploying ships, particularly carriers, with little advanced notice. OFRP essentially expands the plan for carriers to apply to other ships – cruisers and destroyers – in the strike group.

“But OFRP first and foremost,” Richardson said, “is a constant effort to seek better ways to get ready and prepare for deployment --- the people flowing in at the right time for training, parts and ordnance arriving on time, then making sure the training is phased appropriately. That's all part of this balance that we are trying to strike within the resources we are given.

“Right now,” Richardson said, “I'd have to say we are most challenged by step two -- our biggest challenge remains the maintenance. We've got to get through maintenance on time, on schedule, and then the rest of it is set up to fall into place.”

The Bush entered Norfolk Naval Shipyard in June 2015 for what the Navy calls a planned incremental availability (PIA), an overhaul that was to be supervised by the shipyard, with General Dynamics National Steel Shipbuilding Company in Norfolk handling non-propulsion repair work, supported by nearby Huntington Ingalls Industries’ Newport News Shipbuilding. GD NASSCO was awarded $46 million for the work, according to the Navy, while Newport News was operating under a $23.8 million contract award.

The overhaul was scheduled to last six months, with the ship returning to service in January 2016, but as she headed up the Elizabeth River to enter the shipyard NAVSEA issued a statement that the PIA would be extended to eight months “largely due to critical path work on the Vacuum Collection Holding Tanks (VCHT).”

VCHTs refer to the ship’s waste disposal system, using vacuum technology rather than a seawater system to service hundreds of heads – toilets – sinks and showers on board. The technology is not new – it was used on Spruance-class destroyers designed in the 1960s and is a common feature on modern cruise ships. The Bush was the first carrier with the system.

But problems with the VCHT system plagued the carrier right from when she entered service in 2009. During one infamous deployment in 2011, the situation was so bad that at times only a handful of the ship’s toilets were working, according to family members who first reported the situation to reporters, and the ship’s command was ordering crewmembers not to use toilets frequently. The ship’s leadership denied the severity of the problem, but the Bush’s VCHT system has never functioned reliably.

Fixing the issue was a major focus of the PIA, but it is not clear why the Navy felt the need to tack on an extra two months to work on the VCHTs rather than performing the job concurrent with other work.

In the event, work on the system was a factor in the overhaul’s workload growth of 25 percent, said Capt. Thurraya Kent, a spokesperson for the Navy’s acquisition authority, and “completion of work associated with [Newport News] jobs contributed to, but was not a primary cause of the delivery delay.”

Rather, she added, “the primary causes of the PIA delay were the compounding effects of planning workload that exceeded shipyard capacity, and late-identified required maintenance work that resulted in inefficient execution of both [Norfolk Naval Shipyard] and [Newport News] production work.”

It is not clear what factors led to the planning workload becoming more than Norfolk shipyard could handle, or what work was identified so late as to more than double the overhaul period.

Kent noted there was a growth of about 30 percent in the work allotted to Newport News. The shipbuilder, she said, “has worked with its customers and Navy leadership to mitigate any impact of the extended duration of the PIA.”

She declined to provide the final cost of the overhaul, saying the “availability is fleet-funded and these funds were used to cover the new work growth.”

And while further improvements to the VCHT system have been scheduled for the future, the Navy is hopeful the heads on the Bush may finally work normally.

“The VCHT system is fully operational,” Kent declared.

Kent and NAVSEA also insisted that no other shipyard work was deferred during the Bush’s extended stay in the shipyard, and that the yard managed its way through several months of reassigning hundreds of workers to the carrier.

Fleet Forces Command now has the responsibility to oversee the Bush’s workup period under a compressed timeline. FFC declined repeated requests to discuss the ship’s situation, or to describe how the OFRP will be used to handle the compressed training period.

“As a matter of policy, we do not discuss the future schedules of carrier strike groups,” Adm. Phil Davidson, commander of FFC, said through a spokesman.

“The primary responsibility of Fleet Forces Command is to man, train and equip forces to safely and competently fulfill the requirements of combatant commanders for routine deployments and for contingency and crisis,” Davidson said. “As always, our carrier strike groups will be where the nation needs them, when the nation needs them.”

FFC leaders were to meet in late August to discuss the strike group’s situation and make some decisions about when the ships could deploy, and Navy officials cautioned not to assume the Bush would head out in December.

But if the Bush is to relieve the Eisenhower on time, avoiding either an extended deployment for Ike or another carrier gap in the Central Command operational area, that’s about when she’d have to leave.

“The main focus of effort now is finding ways to get Bush through the training cycle so it can deploy as scheduled with all necessary certifications,” said a Navy official.

“At this point, there has been no serious discussion of delaying their deployment or extending Ike. If anything changes, sailors and families from the two strike groups will be the first to know.”
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