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HKSDU

Junior Member
stronger currency does not mean you are doing good. Australia has a strong currency, but we are in absolute mess right now. what's the point if you have strong currency if you don't have money to spend. like when you go and buy stuff everything is cheap but you don't have cash, your still stuck at square one. strong currency alone doesn't decide on how well an economy is doing. China with its low currency has lots of money to throw.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Is it possible to convert the Ark Royal into a helicopter carrier or a larger LPD type of ship? Who knows if China does become the winning bid who's to say the ship could be upgraded to be use for further experience or simply to sell it to neighboring allies (like Pakistan).
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
stronger currency does not mean you are doing good. Australia has a strong currency, but we are in absolute mess right now. what's the point if you have strong currency if you don't have money to spend. like when you go and buy stuff everything is cheap but you don't have cash, your still stuck at square one. strong currency alone doesn't decide on how well an economy is doing. China with its low currency has lots of money to throw.

As I mentioned before the economy is doing very well and it is now less expensive to purchase foreign goods and services compared to two or even five years ago. Hence, as mentioned in the attached articles the Brazilians are not only purchasing new equipment, but also enlarging the size of their military as a whole. I have first hand knowledge of this (this is no BS).
Therefore, they do have sufficient monies to man and operate the Sao Paulo, of course they may not wish to purchase a second carrier with lesser capabilities.
 
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HKSDU

Junior Member
As I mentioned before the economy is doing very well and it is now less expensive to purchase foreign goods and services compared to two or even five years ago. Hence, as mentioned in the attached articles the Brazilians are not only purchasing new equipment, but also enlarging the size of their military as a whole. I have first hand knowledge of this (this is no BS).
Therefore, they do have sufficient monies to man and operate the Sao Paulo, of course they may not wish to purchase a second carrier with lesser capabilities.

I didn't say they don't have enough money. But I was saying that in other cases.
Strong currency doesn't equal good economy all the time.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Sorry Popeye, however I must disagree with you. Brazil’s economy is actual doing very well

Never stated they were. It takes a lot of assets to man & operate a carrier. Why would Brazil need two CVs any way?

I stated..

Not likely. They barely have the money & sailors to operate the carrier they have now.

If they had more money for military operations Brasil would pump more money into the military and get the Sao Paulo operating like she should.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Never stated they were. It takes a lot of assets to man & operate a carrier. Why would Brazil need two CVs any way?

You are correct. I can not see a reason to have two, unless they what to have another for ASW purposes. I know that they are expanding their navy to protect the expanding petroleum field in the shallow off the coast.



If they had more money for military operations Brasil would pump more money into the military and get the Sao Paulo operating like she should.

That is correct also. They are not using the Sao Paulo to its full capacity. The only other explanation I can present is that they are learning to operate a real carrier, as opposed to the old Colossus Class Carrier operated by both Brazil and Argentina. The “teething” problems are being worked out with less expensive A-4s. Perhaps in the future they will operate a naval Rafale?
 

zoom

Junior Member
It will be announced sometime this autumn and it's down to just 3 bidders allegedly, with former Newcastle Utd. F.C. chairman Freddy Shepherd vocally confident of winning her.

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Freddy Shepherd scraps for Ark Royal contract

FORMER Newcastle United chairman Freddy Shepherd has launched a bid to return HMS Ark Royal to the place where she was built - and scrap her.

He wants to create up to 200 jobs by bringing the decommissioned aircraft carrier back to Swan Hunter’s dry dock, in Walker, Newcastle.


“The Ark Royal was born on Tyneside and we want it to be her final resting place."
Freddy Shepherd
If the move is successful, Shepherd Offshore hope to employ the sons and grandsons of those who built the ship to take her apart.

Shepherd believe that to see the proud warship turned into a hotel or conference venue would be an ungraceful end for a vessel which has served Britain with such honour for three decades.

Instead they believe using components from the Ark Royal to create wealth in the now run-down community where she was built, would be the most fitting legacy.

They have also confirmed they will allow those who originally worked on the building of the Ark Royal to board her one final time.

There are also hopes the ship would be opened to the public.

Mr Shepherd said: “The Ark Royal was born on Tyneside and we want it to be her final resting place. We want families here to have the benefit of her proud history.

“If our bid is successful we aim to create hundreds of jobs and any proceeds from the project will be reinvested in the area to create more employment and wealth for local families in the future.

“Over time the Ark Royal could fund thousands of jobs on Tyneside, and inject millions of pounds into the local economy. Surely there would be no legacy more fitting than that.

“I’m certain I’m not alone in believing it’s time to bring the Ark Royal home.”

A considerable cash offer is understood to be behind the Shepherd O’Brien bid.

The high cost of dealing with the decommissioned Ark Royal means other bidders have based their proposal on being given the ship for free.

Gordon O’Brien, managing director of O’Brien and Sons, said strict health and safety regulations means the ship will only become a hotel, or tourist attraction if it goes to overseas bidders.

The heavy industry boss said: “There’s been a lot of interest in purchasing her from across the world, but the reality is it will cost millions just to tow her where she needs to go. She can’t sail with her own engines anymore.

“I think of the final three bidders we are the only ones proposing to disassemble her. Again the reality is if she is bought by a foreign bidder to be turned into a hotel, the likelihood is she will sit moored up for years while the architects put their plans together.

“In the meantime her condition will deteriorate and she will end up being scrapped anyway.

“The insurance on her is going to be massive. I believe it will cost anything between £1.5m and £2m to tow her abroad, and that will only be a fraction of what it will cost the buyers to re-fit her.

“We want to bring her back to the dock, next to the slipway where she was launched. There can be no legacy more fitting for her, than funding the start of new industry and employment for the community which built her. That is our aim."

If successful, the bid could see the doors of the Ark Royal flung open to the public one final time.

Thousands queued to stand on the deck of the steel giant when she came to the Port of Tyne, last November - almost 30 years after she was launched from the river.

The Tyneside bidders have also said they will consider making fittings, such as door handles and chairs from the ship, available to public buyers as souvenirs.

Bids for the ship have been made through a Ministry of Defence (MoD) auction site, following its official axing by the government in March.

The Ministry of Defence said money was a main draw in the decision on who would win the tender.

The winning bid will be announced in the autumn.

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