Air exercise 2 F-22+ 12 F15C vs. 18 regenerable F-16Cs

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Eagles, Raptors team to deter ‘attack’

by 2nd Lt. William Powell
325th Fighter Wing Public Affairs

11/8/2005 - TYNDALL AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. (AFPN) -- Every day, F-15 Eagle instructor pilots here teach dozens of student pilots how to fight and win in combat. But the instructors rarely get a chance to showcase their own warfighting skills.

Fortunately, some 1st Fighter Squadron instructors got a chance to test their skills against the toughest and best trained "adversary" there is -- other Air Force fighter pilots.

The event pitted a dozen Eagles and -- for the first time -- two F/A-22 Raptors from the 43rd FS here, against F-16 Fighting Falcons and a QF-4 Phantom II in a mock aerial engagement dubbed "War Day."

Lt. Col. Bert Dreher, the Eagle squadron commander, said War Day is meant to not only keep instructors' skills sharp, but also to remind them and the students they teach that their objective is to fight and win the nation's wars.

"We often get locked into the training mindset and forget that, at the heart of all of this, we are warriors," he said. "(Instructors) are here to pass on the skills we've learned, but as warriors out there, we have the potential of getting shot at.

“This (exercise) reminds us that our objective is to fly, fight and win,†he said.

The goal this time was simple -- defend a simulated high-value target near Carrabelle, Fla., from hostile forces. When received their order, two alert Eagles scrambled from here to join 13 other "Blue Air" aircraft already airborne. Those included a KC-135 Stratotanker from the Mississippi Air National Guard, 10 Eagles and two Raptors.

This marked the first time Tyndall Raptors trained with another weapon system, rather than solely against one. Blue Air's mission was to intercept the aggressor force, or "Red Air." It included 18 F-16s from Texas, Arkansas, Alabama and Iowa Air National Guard units, two KC-135 Stratotankers and the Phantom from the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron here.

"We had to destroy all bomb droppers, or strikers, before they reached their target," said Maj. Tom Kafka, 1st FS weapons officer and event coordinator. "If we let even one striker through, we would have failed the mission. But we didn't necessarily have to kill all the air-to-air jets protecting the strikers."

To simulate a massive assault force, Red Air members regenerated after being shot. But Blue Air team members had only one life. So Blue Air being vastly outnumbered. But that's not uncommon, Colonel Dreher said.

"We have trained to fight outnumbered at 2-to-1 or 3-to-1 our entire Eagle career," he said. "Nearly all of our potential adversaries, going back to the former Soviet Union, have outnumbered us."

Red Air pilots had overwhelming numbers, but their combat tactics were purposely "slightly watered down" as they simulated foreign pilots flying foreign-built weapon systems, said Lt. Col. Don Ross, Red Air commander from the Iowa ANG.

"But we certainly weren't going to make it easy for Blue Air," Colonel Ross said. "We tried to complicate their ability to get missiles into all of us, because our ultimate goal was to get a striker across the target."

Despite the Red Air aggressors’ watered down capabilities, Colonel Dreher said American pilots are the toughest opponent to fight.

"They know our tactics extremely well because they practice our tactics when they're in the Blue Air role," Colonel Dreher said. "This is the toughest threat we'll ever face. We know if we can hold our own against (American pilots), then it's a benchmark for how we'll do when it's for real."

The exercise, especially the alert scramble, felt real for the pilots as well as the intelligence officers, air battle managers and maintainers.

"I have launched alert missions before in Kuwait during Operation Enduring Freedom. But this was faster and smoother than we ever did at war," said Staff Sgt. Matthew Train, 1st Aircraft Maintenance Unit crew chief.

The sergeant helped launch the alert jets in under four minutes before a crowd of spectators.

"This exercise shows we still have the war capability here even though this is a training base, and it keeps us fresh because we are not always going to be stationed here," Sergeant Train said.

The exercise is the last time the 1st FS will be able to put up 12 jets at a time, because it is transitioning into a "lean" squadron. As Raptor become fully operational, some Eagles are going to other installations. For this reason, members of the squadron wanted to "go out with a bang," Major Kafka said.

"We wanted to go up against as many aircraft as we possibly could," he said. "The scenario was a potential real-world scenario, and we got the chance to hone our skills in the event we are ever called upon to be in that real-world scenario."

Overall, Tyndall's instructor pilots completed the mission with approximately 22 reported kills, according to Lt. Col. Bill Routt, 1st FS operations officer.

"Due to real-time kill removal difficulties, it is hard to say how successful we were," he said. "However, there would be many MiG stars (referring to the number of kills) painted on the Fury aircraft and some victory rolls over Tyndall if this would have been for real."
 

sumdud

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QF-4s? I thought those were retired.

How do you determine win and loss in a mock battle anyway?
 

MIGleader

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sumdud said:
QF-4s? I thought those were retired.

How do you determine win and loss in a mock battle anyway?

dont they have ground stations that moniter everything, and the pilots get fake lasers that they fire and the cockpit of the plane will tell him if he killed, while the other guys cockpit will tell him if he was killed. in this case, the f-16s keep flying after being told they have been killed.

i dont see how an f-4 stands a chance against the f-22s, even if it has infinite lives.:D
 

rommel

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At my memory, QF-4 are target practicising F-4, it's, i think, a remote control F-4 that we use for target shooting... Mig, for your laser toy, are you sure that you are not confusing with the MILES training laser system use by the US Army ??
 
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