Air Division, Regiments, ... Bases, Brigades, etc

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    That suggests it is just another serial number system change. But why brigades instead of regiments? Is it but a name? Or does brigadization hold an operational purpose?
     
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    Interesting theory, but I thought this Z-8K 54118 is from the SAR Brigade Central Theatre Command ??

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    I second this question.
     
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    J-10 Henri K number delivered ofc
    26 in 2016

    J-20 Henri K number delivered ofc
    11 prototypes
    2 pre series in 2015
    4 pre series in 2016
    about 8 series/pre series 2017
    http://www.eastpendulum.com/dix-chasseurs-j-20-livres-en-2017

    Huitong number
    In average 6 J-15/year

    And
    About 15 - 20 J-16

    Possible some J-11 again ?

    Do for 2016 about 60 in average they build since severals years about 70 fighters-bombers d├ępends years 60 - 80
     
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    how did we get from 40 something j10 (both B,C and S) to 26? Why the large fluctuations? There was something like 38 different serials observed just for B variant within one year recently. Why would they increase the production for just one year before dropping it to smaller volumes again?

    Plus there's H6K which i counted in my figures. Should be around 10 a year.
     
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    With China nobody can' t say... can be more money for J-20 even for ships or Henri K say eventualy... transition production for J-10 new variant ?

    I have read a time and i think about 6 by year and we have 65 H-6Ks identified and entered service in 2009.
     
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    @Deino

    According to multiple experienced PLAAF ORBAT-watchers, the 78AXA-series of PLAAF units work like this:

    • 78AXA units do not follow the "78X - 611" scheme. That means there are no such things as the 170th-177th brigades. I think AMan's post about 788 - 722 is correct.
    • 78X1X, 78X2X, 78X3X are Cangzhou regimental-level units. Although they are regimental units, they fly so many aircraft that their total number is far larger than a normal division. Their mission is two-fold; combat and advanced training. The pilots that are assigned to them are the best of the PLAAF.
    • 78X6X is Dingxin's oldest unit. Their mission is testing and experimenting. They fly a large assortment of aircraft from J-7s to J-11Bs, to transport aircraft. They are responsible for evaluating weapon systems. The AL-31F J-11B trialling the PL-15 spotted a few years ago belonged to this unit.
    • 78X7X is a new unit formed in 2014. Their mission is evaluating new equipment and writing the manual for the rest of the PLAAF's pilots. The 90th PLA Anniversary parade's aircraft were mostly from this unit. New aircraft are sent to this unit for evaluation before further proliferation. Their mission used to be handled by Cangzhou's units.
    • 78X8X is a new unit formed in 2014. This is the PLAAF's new dedicated OPFOR unit. They replace Cangzhou's old OPFOR unit that was the size of a "dadui" (8 aircraft?). This unit is a brigade-level unit, far larger than the old OPFOR unit. Their designation is the "PLAAF 66th Brigade", not 177th Brigade. They supposedly fly two types of aircraft. So far, aircraft no. 17, 21, 25, 26, and 32 have been spotted.
    • 78X9X is a UAV training unit, possibly also a combat unit. They were featured in a few CCTV-7 broadcasts. They are not the same unit as the one that was featured in the 2015 Parade.


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    Thanks a lot but I must admit, it does not convince me or at least I'm still sceptical

    I agree that there is something strange on these units, but what about the regular front-line units like the 130. and 131. Brigades? They also have 74xXx - serials with a 4 instead of an 8.

    So IMO it does not make any sense for the PLAAF to establish yet another serial-system only for the 78AXA units. Another argument against this allegedly 66th Brigade, it would be from the former 22nd Air Division, not a well-known former Attack Division, that merged with the 11th AD and in no way related for tests.


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    With greetings from Telford/UK, where I just found the current AFM with my latest report: Following the history in part 1, part 2 includes the current PLAAF and its current Orbat.

    Deino

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