27 dead, in Kunming railway station attack

Mr T said:

I think you'll remember that the people that killed Lee Rigby were quick to indicate personally they were terrorists. I still haven't heard anything from the people that carried out the attack or the group behind them. If this is an orchestrated attack, surely someone will claim credit for it. It doesn't make any sense to plan something major like this and be quiet about it.

Could this, for example, have been planned independently by a relatively small group of people without involvement from others? I never had the need to buy a knife when I was in China, but presumably it's not hard.

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The murderers of Lee Rigby were both gunned down by police when they responded to the attack and were in intensive care for weeks afterwards. Just how quick were they to personally identify themselves as terrorists? Did anyone wait till they made statements before calling that a terrorist attack? Ignoring the facts again I see.

The uniform t-shirts with political proclimations on them is already all the evidence needed to class this as a terrorist attack. The fact that you still try to nit pick and ignored obvious facts and trying to paint this as something else smacks of someone looking for 'evidence' to match their view rather than someone trying to form an informed opinion based on facts.

And since where was there any sort of requirement that a set number of members be reached before a group can be classed as terrorists?

As for claiming responsibility, well Bin Ladin didn't claim responsibility for 9/11 straight away. No one did for days iirc. Did 9/11 only qualify as a terrorist attack after someone claimed responsibility?

More pointless hair splitting and goal post moving just so you can try and avoid calling a terrorist attack a terrorist attack. What's the bloody point?

@ Mr T

Regardless

whom you are,


where you live ,

what your god is,

what gudge you have against whom or which govt,

you're right or wrong,

you admit it or not, etc. etc.,



as along as you are proven to have indiscriminately hurt civilian lives and/or properties,


YOU. ARE. A. TERRORIST,


under ANY definition,


and you become enermy of humanity,


and should be condamnned and hunted down anywhere on earth right away by humanity.


Not BBC-alike "ethnic conflict", "terror" ( note the quotation marks), or "murder", or "oppressed",

or whatever spin stories they fancy.

Simples!

There is little doubt as to who the perpetrators are. Original image from weibo cropped by CJDBY and reposted on Chinese Defence Forum by Tianxia.

Warning: There are three gruesome photos at the bottom of the page. Thankfully they are very small. If you are squeamish, please avoid.



If you are in China and you see someone with this shirt, stay well clear of him/her and report immediately to the proper authorities.

I think it is as telling as it is disgusting that I have not been able to find a single official condemnation of this terrorist attack from a single Western Government of a Uigher Organisation.
The only exception I have found so far is Ban Ki Moon.

I also note that not one Western paper is able to bring itself to call this a Terrorist attack and merely "Separatist".

I think China does need to up the ante against those nations and those establishment individuals within them that are supporters of Terror against it. This means targeting not only Uigher Organisations and media organisations such as Radio Free Asia, but also to target sanctions against supporting overseas nationals and their financial/business interests.

I think China has been far too deferential in the past over this issue and needs to start hurting people who; frankly, deserve to be hurt.

That's because one person's terrorist has always been someone else's freedom fighter.

chuck731 said:

That's because one person's terrorist has always been someone else's freedom fighter.

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Not always and a vague statement at that. A terrorist act is still a terrorist act regardless of whether there is a supposed cause or not.

Obviously they are terrorists, Uyghur groups like East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) has been designated a "terrorist organization" by a number of countries and organization including the United Nations. Strangely U.S. Department of State, which soon after the 9/11 attacks classified the group as a Foreign Terrorist Organization, later took it off the list, saying ETIM had little organizational ability to carry out attacks. I don't understand the Obama administration would do that despite keeping them Guantanamo Bay after picking them up in Afghanistan training with the Taliban/Al Queda. The US gov't seemed sympathetic to them refusing to extradite them to China fearing 'human rights abuses,' wtf? This is after years in Gitmo and the US gov't refused asylum in US or transportation back to Afghanistan?

plawolf said:

The stabbing of one man in the UK is a terrorist attack, the stabbing of nearly 200 in China isn't? What nonsense.

I'm just waiting for the western media to start spinning conspiracy theories about a conspiracy over this atrocity because of censors removing images and posts about the ethnicity of the attackers from the web.

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And it is a very possible fact that their censoring of ethnicity-related information might actually be instigated to prevent attacks on the Uyghur community, most of which had nothing to do with the crime. The twisting and selective cherrypicking of the facts by the Western media to conform to the stereotypical notion of an authoritative China and the freedom-inspired terrorist attack is nothing short of sickening.

perfume said:

Uighur or not, these pictures are all over social media. I wake up this morning and all I see is this post being shared containing warnings about people who wear t-shirts with these markings - apparently it's what some of the attackers were wearing:


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Sometimes it's a mystery why China is so keen on selling weapons to Turkey when their government openly declares verbal support of the ETIM and probably has deals with those extremists under the counter as well; it's about time China's intelligence groups made a serious case study on the hidden geopolitics and beliefs of the country.